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Old 10-04-2007, 07:52 PM
QuadLaser QuadLaser is offline
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OMG. Call. All. Day. Not exactly a fistpump call but still.

You have 15 hands on the guy and you've convinced yourself he's a nit who just flopped a set. You see all kinds of FDs here, AQ, 67... yes he is going to have a set sometimes but you have to call this with no read. And "he played 2/15 hands" is not a read.

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If he has AdXd or OESFD we are coinflipping.... if he has a set we are dead. WTF are we crushing that this is a "call all day"? Is AQo or KQo really jamming for all his chips? Clearly he puts OP on AA/KK and expects him to be unable to lay it down. I use this move CONSTANTLY at 1/2 NL live here in vegas since around 50%+ of tourists ONLY PFR with KK/AA. I just call with ATC and if I am ahead after the flop just move in. They snap call most of the time.
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Old 10-04-2007, 09:37 PM
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Default Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression

Why do you all think villain puts you on AA/KK in my experience villain always puts you on AK on every 3bet hand.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:09 PM
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Default Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression

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Why do you all think villain puts you on AA/KK in my experience villain always puts you on AK on every 3bet hand.

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If he puts you on AK in this hand then why would he push with such a huge overbet? There is no way AK could call that. He wants to get paid off a whole stack from AA/KK or possibly AQ No one ever bluff-raises all in on the flop for a full buy-in.
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:05 AM
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Why do you all think villain puts you on AA/KK in my experience villain always puts you on AK on every 3bet hand.

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If he puts you on AK in this hand then why would he push with such a huge overbet? There is no way AK could call that. He wants to get paid off a whole stack from AA/KK or possibly AQ No one ever bluff-raises all in on the flop for a full buy-in.

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Because maybe he does not have a set 100% of the time.
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:36 AM
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Default Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression

I gotta call this also. I would think that a set would try to extract more value. I'm more likely to think this was a flush draw, that was looking for a fold, but wasn't horrified by a call. I think you're a slight favorite here, and I always like to get the money in when I'm a favorite.

P.S. GSYKES avatar is giving me nightmares!!
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:44 AM
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GSYKES avatar is giving me nightmares!!

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Losing propbets suck [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:50 AM
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Default Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression

If he's a tight passive -sounds he might be from your description I fold too - vs loose bad players I snap call - this is Qx/fdraw most of the time - vs him a set.


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GSYKES avatar is giving me nightmares!!

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Losing propbets suck [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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ye me too - subliminal messaging methinks ...
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Old 10-05-2007, 10:01 AM
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GSYKES avatar is giving me nightmares!!

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Losing propbets suck [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Muhahahahaha I'm so glad I found that for you!
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Old 10-05-2007, 11:29 AM
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Default Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression

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Why do you all think villain puts you on AA/KK in my experience villain always puts you on AK on every 3bet hand.

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Yeah or AQ if a K flops or KQ if an A flops, he'll put you on whatever he beats to make the call/push.

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Old 10-05-2007, 11:42 AM
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Default Re: Fold KK on the flop after aggression

Err, he minraised UTG.. how could we possibly think he's a solid player? Call and cry when you see his superbly played AA or QQ... or 99 or 77 or AQ or whatever he has
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