Time for a big laydown?

markuisis · #1 10-04-2007, 01:05 PM

I know most ppl will never fold full houses at these stakes but mine is the lowest full house so pretty much my hand is a good as the nut flush. Guy seemed pretty conservative and I didn't think hed ever be bluffing here or on flop. Just to clarify, I didn't wanna get it in on the flop this particular time since I didn't think there were too many hands which would raise me like that which had me beat (two pairs its true but in that case he doesnt have many outs and this particular time I opted to flat call flop - not at all standard for me)Also, since I had position, I opted to take a cheap turn and re-assess. BTW, this is by far the nittiest playing i've ever done, usually I shove flop and insta-call river but this is one seemed different, mostly cause I had villain pegged as super conservative. Also, my small river was because by the way he played it I thought he prob had a straight (69s or j9s) and wouldnt call very much on that board. Here's an example of his conervatism (he's the button):

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $193.60
BTN: $264.70
SB: $99
BB: $100
Hero (UTG): $106.65
MP: $128.50

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
3 folds, BTN raises to $3.50, SB folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, BTN bets $5.50, BB raises to $13, BTN calls $7.50

Turn: ($33.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, BTN checks

River: ($33.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, BTN checks

Results: $33.50 Pot ($1.65 Rake)
BTN showed A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $31.85 (+$15.35 NET)
BB showed 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (Ace Queen high) and LOST (-$16.50 NET)

Now, the actual hand:

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $321.65
BB: $284.40
UTG: $29.40
MP: $101.50
Hero (CO): $113.85
BTN: $121.60

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.50, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12.50

Turn: ($43.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($43.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22, BB raises to $222

would u guys ever fold this? If I thought he was a fish, I'd insta call and expect a very wide range of hands but seing as he seemed pretty good and very conservative....

Also, I'm not getting great odds, about 1:1

cheer · #2 10-04-2007, 01:07 PM

never ever fold i wouldn't overly like it but there is no way I am giving up to the nittest of players. also b/3b flop, the only reasonable thing he could have is the other 2 flopped sets.

Suigin406 · #3 10-04-2007, 01:09 PM

repop flop, i want to charge him for his draw...

do not fold this, a straight and flush are possible here

markuisis · #4 10-04-2007, 01:10 PM

For any1 who says don't fold, what do u guys figure he has by the way he played it? Remember, I consider him a solid player, the nut flush is the only hand I can think of that miiiiighht play this way in the hands on a fish who thinks hes tricky.

markuisis · #5 10-04-2007, 01:12 PM

Do u guys really think he does this move with a straight?? let alone a flush on a board like that - plus I didn't think he was the kind of guy that would raise a fd on the flop.

Imrahil · #6 10-04-2007, 01:12 PM

I didn't read anything but 3bet flop, not sure about turn and call river.

Claunchy · #7 10-04-2007, 01:14 PM

How do you figure you're only getting 1:1? The pot's like 160 or something isn't it? And you only have 70 behind. In fact, you're pretty much never getting 1:1 on a call unless someone open-shoves preflop.

Anyway, what everyone else said. 3-bet flop; call river.

markuisis · #8 10-04-2007, 01:19 PM

sry about odds, im getting about 1.35:1
regardless of not re-popping the flop which i said i almost always do but didnt this particular time but think i shoulda in retrospect, what hands does he play this way that i have beat? does he often check turn and river with a flush? i didnt think he was the kinda guy that would re-raise his fd on the flop very often either and i def dont think a straight does this.

Jonezycat · #9 10-04-2007, 01:21 PM

I don't see a guy slowplaying a set on the turn like this with that board.

You're getting right around 2-1. Only hand I see him having that beats you is QT, which I don't see him slowplaying the turn with either. I snapcall this river.

I rebluff you · #10 10-04-2007, 01:22 PM

Wait........ who's the conservative one??

3bet flop.
Bet turn.
Bet much bigger on the river and please do not fold.

You played it as if YOU were scared of the apparent 'nit'.