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Re: JJ OOP vs a LAG
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I really want to turn my hand into a bluff and c/r turn all-in here. Not saying I would, but I'm just saying... [/ QUOTE ] I think his bet size prolly means big pair+[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Even if it is a scared black QQ+ he wont fold it in rr pot for 150bs ime. Jay I prolly play it the same. I might c/r flop an get it in w/ 100bb stacks given your history(esp if you think villain is aware you could be isoing a bad utg(?) light) but that gets a bit iffy w/ 150bb I think. |
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Re: JJ OOP vs a LAG
So if you arn't 4 betting this pre and you are only calling the flop, how do you justify the turn call? You are obviously putting him on a overpair / hopeing he has AK, so why call the turn? you don't have a heart....his AK with one heart will bet everytime to get you off 88, 99, JJ. ...?
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Re: JJ OOP vs a LAG
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[ QUOTE ] I really want to turn my hand into a bluff and c/r turn all-in here. Not saying I would, but I'm just saying... [/ QUOTE ] I was actually thinking this too after I posted. Might be too spewy? [/ QUOTE ] it's not really turning it into a bluff. You're protecting your hand from getting drawn from overcards/flush draw. I was considering this line. If villain has a bigger overpair, we're stacking. If he has AQ/AT/AJ and bluffs the K at the river, we have no idea where we're at. It makes our decision really tough on the river by just c/c turn. I'd c/r turn or donk the turn. |
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Re: JJ OOP vs a LAG
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I really want to turn my hand into a bluff and c/r turn all-in here. Not saying I would, but I'm just saying... [/ QUOTE ] I was actually thinking this too after I posted. Might be too spewy? [/ QUOTE ] it's not really turning it into a bluff. You're protecting your hand from getting drawn from overcards/flush draw. I was considering this line. If villain has a bigger overpair, we're stacking. If he has AQ/AT/AJ and bluffs the K at the river, we have no idea where we're at. It makes our decision really tough on the river by just c/c turn. I'd c/r turn or donk the turn. [/ QUOTE ] yep, as played, on turn either crai or c/f, both are marginal. c/c is worst. |
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Re: JJ OOP vs a LAG
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I really want to turn my hand into a bluff and c/r turn all-in here. Not saying I would, but I'm just saying... [/ QUOTE ] This is terrible without a read imo. Not only does people like to stack off with JJ+ in this spot, but all those hands can easily have a decent fd. |
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Re: JJ OOP vs a LAG
Villain isnt bluffing a blank/K river for a nrly full stack 100% of the time.
Where not playing Durr at 25/50 an it wouldnt necessarily be a gd play anyway. |
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Re: JJ OOP vs a LAG
yuck...OOP vs a LAG I just 4bet/call
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Re: JJ OOP vs a LAG
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So if you arn't 4 betting this pre and you are only calling the flop, how do you justify the turn call? You are obviously putting him on a overpair / hopeing he has AK, so why call the turn? you don't have a heart....his AK with one heart will bet everytime to get you off 88, 99, JJ. ...? [/ QUOTE ] what are you talking about? I said I FOLD turn. |
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Re: JJ OOP vs a LAG
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Villain isnt bluffing a blank/K river for a nrly full stack 100% of the time. Where not playing Durr at 25/50 an it wouldnt necessarily be a gd play anyway. [/ QUOTE ] You really think villain is going to check behind with unpaired hands on the King river? I don't think villain bluffs a blank river here with good frequency, but he's bluffing a K here a lot. Even with 88 and 99. |
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Re: JJ OOP vs a LAG
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[ QUOTE ] So if you arn't 4 betting this pre and you are only calling the flop, how do you justify the turn call? You are obviously putting him on a overpair / hopeing he has AK, so why call the turn? you don't have a heart....his AK with one heart will bet everytime to get you off 88, 99, JJ. ...? [/ QUOTE ] what are you talking about? I said I FOLD turn. [/ QUOTE ] I wasn't responding to you. I was talking to the thread in general. Voicing my opionion... etc. |
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