Evil Atheism.

[Xylem]

All u can say is wrong but how can u argue that we are born into a world of good evil etc if we are just evolved animals.

U R WRONG.

SO ANNOYING, IF WE ARE JUST ANIMALS MORALS ARE SIMPLY A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT AND AS REAL AS BELIEVING ITS RIGHT TO suPPOrt the red sox team.

[tame_deuces]

Now you are arguing.

This:
Atheists don't believe in inherent goodness.

Is completely different from this:
If there isn't a god, then inherent goodness can not exist.

Even if the last sentinment was 100% fullproof, even if there was absolutely no way it could not be correct, then atheists could still chose not to believe in it, because there is no all-big atheistic law that says you have to believe in rationality or logic.

Period.

[Xylem]

Correct but then as i said earlier u are either not a true atheist or are stupid, but probably a mix.

[Jamougha]

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All u can say is wrong but how can u argue that we are born into a world of good evil etc if we are just evolved animals.

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Our general concept of good and evil is an evolved trait.

[PyramidScheme]

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Fun project: Find an atheist world leader who caused good in the world!

Have Fun!

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I think it's pretty well accepted that a 'great leader' should be religous and if they aren't will pretend. I'm sure there have been great leaders that were atheist, whom you do not know about.

[foal]

yeah it's pretty hard to get elected as an atheist. you can either pretend to be religious or you can go on a Stalin/Mao style rampage.

[tame_deuces]

There are plenty of countries in the world where this isn't such a big deal actually.

[foal]

Do Thai Buddhists worship a deity?

[MaxWeiss]

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Atheism does state there is no inherent goodness in humanity.

You may be an 'atheist' who believes there is inherent good in us but you would be wrong or stupid, because after all we are just well evolved animals not special righteous or anything else that would suggest the existence of God.

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This makes the most egregious assumption that being bad over good has more survival value. In fact cooperation and kindness have been shown in many sociological studies to be extremely beneficial. Just because there is no Big Brother in the sky does not mean it is not in one's interest to do good.

And if you want to take a look at the "logical conclusion" of atheism, why don't you go look up for yourself the stats on wealth/well being/health/crime rate/midicine in theistic versus non-theistic countries (or states, or cities)...

[BeatUp]

Being atheistic and knowing what is morally right are not mutually exclusive by any stretch of the imagination. There are plenty of people who seem to assume this automatically because they view moral behavior as being handed down from god on stone tablets and other complete nonsense. Note that these are generally the same kind of people who blindly follow "strong" god-fearing leaders and commit atrocities on a massive scale because god told them to.

How many have been slaughtered in the name of god? Hundreds of millions...more? Entire civilizations? Got genocide? How about when god told whoever it was to kill all the males, rape the women, and take them as slaves? Did god really say to do that or did man say it and give god the credit?

As one poster stated, there aren't all that many atheist politicians because too many dullards won't vote for anyone unless they've been personally chosen by god. Of course, you'd never know they were chosen by god if they didn't go out of their way to tell you that 57 times a day. That's certainly Christian-like behavior. But once they've told you that enough times they can go about their business of exploiting poor people, and generally [censored] up the world for everyone but themselves and their wealthy friends, who, if you ask, were also probably talking to god in some capacity.

God said the meek shall inherit the earth and that it's easier to put a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. Still, the rich politicians and their corporate sponsors keep feeding the same message that god is great and that they are the moral compass for everyone even though all they ever do is lie, cheat, steal, and exploit.

So who's evil? The guy that says god isn't real so since there's not going to be an afterlife, we'd better make the best of this one? Or the guy that sends kids off to die in a war with the promise that they're fighting for a nation "under god". Or the Muslim cleric who preaches martyrdom and sends 12 year old boys to blow up innocent people. How about the televangelist who preaches that you should "give till it hurts" as he cheats on his wife with young whores and buys million-dollar mansions with the money of the working class god-fearing Christians.

Remember, Hitler was the most famous Christian of the 20th century. Most of his divisive tactics are still in use today.

As for me, I was taught right and wrong from my parents and they were taught by their parents, they are all good, decent people. Some were religious, some weren't. Society needs rules and a basic moral code to survive. It doesn't need gods.