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No reads, new to table. Trying to get my tourney legs back after playing ring games almost exclusively for the last year or so.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) MP2 (t3355) CO (t860) Button (t2775) SB (t5900) Hero (t3430) UTG (t2745) UTG+1 (t1155) MP1 (t4135) Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (t150) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets t100</font>, Hero calls t100, UTG+1 folds. Turn: (t350) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets t150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t550</font>, SB calls t400. River: (t1450) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t850</font> Fair enough? Edit: FWIW, he used his timer before calling my turn raise. |
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I don't like the river bet at all. Its about 1/2 the pot and is essentially a bluff. You've fired at the turn when your draws improved and he's called, after using his timer.
Some villains use this to "show weakness" and disguise a monster. You are ahead of a missed draw, so you wouldn't want to bet there - and if he has a strong hand he's likely to be checking to induce a bluff. I'd check this river. If the turn card hadn't paired you your river bet makes much more sense. I like it up until then though. EDIT: What was the buy-in? |
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I think the river bet is necessarily if he want's to finish this bluff.
He calls the first shot, the turn bet is weakish and he raises - we see a lot of calls in this spot from people who don't think. I think the river-bet is fine - most of the time this should chase him off. I like it - welcome back to tournament poker. |
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I like it too, as lev said, that turn bet is weak, we can't just give up this pot.
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i see you mentioned no reads, but buyin amount and stage of the tournament can be a read in itself, you can also check stats
i use stats all the time, in this case i'd argue that against a good player, you could fire that river bluff against a donkey that will call me with any J, i'd just check and hope to see a missed draw |
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If the turn card hadn't paired you your river bet makes much more sense. [/ QUOTE ] This is the main reason for posting this hand. My plan when raising the turn was to moderately bluff the river if I didn't improve. My difficulty was in deciding if the 5 helped me enough that I could rely on showdown value enough to check, or if I had to follow through with my bluff. (Holy run-on sentanceaments!) At the time, I decided he was much more likely to be on a weak made hand than a missed draw. As it turned out, he folded and it's driving me nuts. Because my play worked, it's impossible to judge if it was good or not [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. [ QUOTE ] EDIT: What was the buy-in? [/ QUOTE ] $40 freezeout satellite. |
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Grunch
I don't like the river bet. There are no worse hands that will call and i don't think any better hands would fold. |
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Grunch I don't like the river bet. There are no worse hands that will call and i don't think any better hands would fold. [/ QUOTE ] QT, T8... fold. Edit: possibly even get a fold out of a jack. You raised the 9, and theoretically bet the river for value with the 9. Unless he can see thru your soul, I see plenty of better hands that fold. |
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I'd call the turn pretty quickly. No sense in re-opening the action when he is giving your great odds + implied odds to hit your big draw.
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There are no worse hands that will call and i don't think any better hands would fold. [/ QUOTE ] After "way ahead way behind", this is quickly becoming the most often mis-used maxim in this forum. Jarid |
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