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Old 10-01-2007, 11:11 AM
CazicT CazicT is offline
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Default Re: NL 50 Deep: AK 3 betted PF

Pokerstove:

If we push, we will be pushing $73.75. Assuming he calls we are looking to win $129.5(current pot+his remaining stack). That gives us 1.75:1 odds on a push, assuming he calls.

That means we need mere 36.1% equity to make the push break even.

If we give the villian a range of KK+, AK. Our equity is 35.6%, very close to what we need.

Now 33 and 55 are not impossible, though they aren't quite as likely as KK+, AK IMO and I would say they are offset by the chance he could be trying to steal it with QQ or JJ or something.

I think this is a very close to EV neutral push in sum. If you're risk averse then go ahead and fold. Otherwise, i'd say push, there's something to be said for letting your opponents know you're not afraid to put the chips in with TPTK.
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Old 10-01-2007, 11:20 AM
Mike Kelley Mike Kelley is offline
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Default Re: NL 50 Deep: AK 3 betted PF

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MP1: $101.75

Hero (BTN): $170.20



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hmmm, I see what you did here, interesting.
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Old 10-01-2007, 11:39 AM
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I don't see how we can RR to $10 preflop, hit a K on a pretty ragged board, make a big bet on the flop, and then fold to a min-check raise. Yes, top pair is a small pot hand, but we've already committed to playing a big pot with our actions preflop and on the flop.

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Yes sorry, I should have explained that I didnt like the PF 3-Bet.
You are right in what you say since you are either want a big pot or not so the worst thing you can do is start then pull out.

In this specific circumstance (deep stacked vs LAG in position) I am inclined to call PF with AK.
You can keep the pot small enough that QK and AT wont get scared and you can bail if it gets too heavy.
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:02 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Deep: AK 3 betted PF

its also possible villian has some sort of flush draw/pair combo & is hoping for a free card with his min raise.
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:13 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Deep: AK 3 betted PF

AK sucks, fold here. Doubt he's pulling silly moves here with QQ or JJ. I like to pull silly moves and if i was planning on pulling a silly move with QQ or JJ i would generally call the flop and hope you checked the turn then raise or occasionally reraise. Perhaps if you looked like a nit...hardcore nit than i would try to take this pot off you on the flop (have you made any big lay downs in his 140 hands?). Best to assume your beat here.
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:18 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Deep: AK 3 betted PF

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Diebitter's Hand ranging tool.

22+,AT+,KQ


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

16,830 games 0.005 secs 3,366,000 games/sec

Board: 3c 5c Kh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.940% 09.85% 17.09% 1657 2877.00 { AcKd }
Hand 1: 73.060% 55.97% 17.09% 9419 2877.00 { KK+, 55, 33, AKs, KcQc, AKo }

Does anyone give villain a wider range?

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more KQ, prob KJcc, KTcc as well
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:58 PM
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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

31,680 games 0.016 secs 1,980,000 games/sec

Board: 3c 5c Kh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.665% 45.30% 09.37% 14351 2967.00 { AcKd }
Hand 1: 45.335% 35.97% 09.37% 11395 2967.00 { KK+, 55, 33, AKs, KJs+, AKo, KJo+ }

Looks like the big question is will he go there with KQ,KJ?
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:53 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Deep: AK 3 betted PF

The great part about this hand is that... it never happened. Villain folded to my flop bet. But i realized after i made the flop bet if i got check minraised i would have NO idea what to do and was actaully really dreading it. Thanks for the responses.

BTW i think with this villain, KQ/KJ/and maybe KT are likely part of his range. It seems to me AA/KK would of raised again pf and because of how loose he is (30/12) i could see him calling with many marginal hands.
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Old 10-01-2007, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Deep: AK 3 betted PF

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The great part about this hand is that... it never happened. Villain folded to my flop bet. But i realized after i made the flop bet if i got check minraised i would have NO idea what to do and was actaully really dreading it. Thanks for the responses.

BTW i think with this villain, KQ/KJ/and maybe KT are likely part of his range. It seems to me AA/KK would of raised again pf and because of how loose he is (30/12) i could see him calling with many marginal hands.

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I don't know that our villain has KQ/KJ in his range THAT much although they should definitely be considered. If we don't feel good getting it AI then perhaps we should check the flop.

I am not a big fan of 3-bet preflop here with these stack sizes.
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Old 10-01-2007, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Deep: AK 3 betted PF

yeah im pretty new to 3 betting without the nuts, so im still trying to get it down. This deep just calling would probably be the better option, (But i hate AK OOP, and them folding solves that)
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