Poker After Dark thread (Week of 9/24 - Rivals Week)

Silent A · #1 09-30-2007, 02:49 PM

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I can't believe no one has discussed Hellmuth's butchering his A2 hand. Why the hell didn't he just raise on the flop instead of calling $7k with bottom pair? He's trying to trap? Blah, blah, blah. That's his shtick every PAD and if he seriously thinks that's the way to win this format then he's the stupidest 11 time WSOP bracelet winner ever. What card was he really hoping to see on the turn except the obvious ones?

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Could someone tell me what happened in this hand?

The NBC website won't show this clip "in my area".

NM. They're showing the clip in the director's cut.

Rottersod · #2 10-01-2007, 01:24 AM

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I can't believe no one has discussed Hellmuth's butchering his A2 hand. Why the hell didn't he just raise on the flop instead of calling $7k with bottom pair? He's trying to trap? Blah, blah, blah. That's his shtick every PAD and if he seriously thinks that's the way to win this format then he's the stupidest 11 time WSOP bracelet winner ever. What card was he really hoping to see on the turn except the obvious ones?

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Could someone tell me what happened in this hand?

The NBC website won't show this clip "in my area".

NM. They're showing the clip in the director's cut.

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To the best of my recollection 5 players and both Hellmuth and Sheik have over the $20K with Sheik covering Hellmuth. Sheik raises PF (maybe $4200?). Hellmuth has A2 and calls. Flop is something like 862 rainbow. Sheik bets 7k. Hellmuth simply calls. Turn is a J. Sheik goes all in with his J9 and Hellmuth goes on his rant about how he was trapping, blah, blah, blah. As if the 12K or so that was in the pot wasn't enough to have taken down with a push so he has to trap. He folds. He's short stacked with about 11K.

Also, Sheik had been very aggressive since the beginning (granted he was getting hit over the head with the deck), but he hardly ever had to show.

TheRempel · #3 10-01-2007, 02:52 AM

Not quite.

Sheikhan raised preflop to 2400 (blinds were 400/800 I think), Hellmuth called in the SB, Laak folded his BB. Flop came giving Hellmuth bottom pair and Sheikhan two over, Hellmuth lead out for like 40% pot, Sheikhan raised it 5k to 7k, Hellmuth quickly called and then check folded the turn after Sheikhan shoved.

Rottersod · #4 10-01-2007, 04:41 PM

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Not quite.

Sheikhan raised preflop to 2400 (blinds were 400/800 I think), Hellmuth called in the SB, Laak folded his BB. Flop came giving Hellmuth bottom pair and Sheikhan two over, Hellmuth lead out for like 40% pot, Sheikhan raised it 5k to 7k, Hellmuth quickly called and then check folded the turn after Sheikhan shoved.

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Thanks. I had a feeling I didn't get it quite right. Hellmuth's smooth call on the post flop raise was ridiculous. He even admitted after that hand that he doesn't know how to play this format and I believe him. What I don't understand is why he doesn't get some help from his poker buddies since this is his 5th or 6th PAD. Either his ego is too big to admit it or he really is a pompous ass and has no friends who he trusts to give him good advice.

Torello · #5 10-02-2007, 12:30 AM

Yeah all the talk about the A2 hand and how lucky Sheik got was ridiculous. I'm pretty sure Sheiky was going to fire most cards, not just ones that hit him, and Phil was folding most of them. Phil just seized on the fact that he got Sheiky to admit he hit the turn to cover his bad play.