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LC: what is the strongest drawing hand possible vs the weakest made?
Just something I was mulling over...and I can't seem to get the exact answer.
I"m thinking the most outs a drawing hand could possibly have over a made hand would be something like... 2222 6s7sJdQd double suited 4s5sKd flop 4s5sKdTd turn. So on the turn, you have 4 overs, 18 flush outs, and 16 OESD. Of course many of these outs are duplicated. I was checking this out in a calculator, and was surprised that you still had the most equity PF, before any flop was saw. And that on the flop you were better than the turn, like the 13+ outs you picked up on the turn weren't worth the extra card that you didn't hit. Just theory. |
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Re: LC: what is the strongest drawing hand possible vs the weakest made?
why?
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Re: LC: what is the strongest drawing hand possible vs the weakest mad
Just common sense.
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Re: LC: what is the strongest drawing hand possible vs the weakest mad
Depends what you consider a "made hand" I guess. Isn't 2222 a dog to any four cards pre-flop?
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Re: LC: what is the strongest drawing hand possible vs the weakest mad
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Just something I was mulling over...and I can't seem to get the exact answer. I"m thinking the most outs a drawing hand could possibly have over a made hand would be something like... 2222 6s7sJdQd double suited 4s5sKd flop 4s5sKdTd turn. So on the turn, you have 4 overs, 18 flush outs, and 16 OESD. Of course many of these outs are duplicated. I was checking this out in a calculator, and was surprised that you still had the most equity PF, before any flop was saw. And that on the flop you were better than the turn, like the 13+ outs you picked up on the turn weren't worth the extra card that you didn't hit. Just theory. [/ QUOTE ] There's 20+ out wraps. AB x x CD |
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Re: LC: what is the strongest drawing hand possible vs the weakest mad
[ QUOTE ]
Just something I was mulling over...and I can't seem to get the exact answer. I"m thinking the most outs a drawing hand could possibly have over a made hand would be something like... 2222 6s7sJdQd double suited 4s5sKd flop 4s5sKdTd turn. So on the turn, you have 4 overs, 18 flush outs, and 16 OESD. Of course many of these outs are duplicated. I was checking this out in a calculator, and was surprised that you still had the most equity PF, before any flop was saw. And that on the flop you were better than the turn, like the 13+ outs you picked up on the turn weren't worth the extra card that you didn't hit. Just theory. [/ QUOTE ] In the situation you described, I think the 2222 has 8 outs... |
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Re: LC: what is the strongest drawing hand possible vs the weakest made?
[ QUOTE ]
Just something I was mulling over...and I can't seem to get the exact answer. I"m thinking the most outs a drawing hand could possibly have over a made hand would be something like... 2222 6s7sJdQd double suited 4s5sKd flop 4s5sKdTd turn. So on the turn, you have 4 overs, 18 flush outs, and 16 OESD. Of course many of these outs are duplicated. I was checking this out in a calculator, and was surprised that you still had the most equity PF, before any flop was saw. And that on the flop you were better than the turn, like the 13+ outs you picked up on the turn weren't worth the extra card that you didn't hit. Just theory. [/ QUOTE ] This post seems really stupid (why is surprising that 2222 is behind a good connected hand pf? It is drawing dead pf to any pocket pair higher than threes). here is a 30 out draw on the turn. here is an unpaired starting hand with more than 85% equity against 2222 pf. |
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Re: LC: what is the strongest drawing hand possible vs the weakest made?
Not to irritate the OP but what relevance does any of this have?
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Re: LC: what is the strongest drawing hand possible vs the weakest mad
i think the only important thing you might get out of this thread is the concept that there really isn't such a thing as a "made hand", there's just equity distributions.
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Re: LC: what is the strongest drawing hand possible vs the weakest mad
best I could do on the flop:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3591610 pokenum -o 7d 8d th jh - 2s 2c 3c 2h -- 6d 9d qh Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 9d 6d Qh cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV 8d 7d Jh Th 699 85.24 121 14.76 0 0.00 0.852 2s 3c 2c 2h 121 14.76 699 85.24 0 0.00 0.148 |
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