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Re: Jermain Taylor vs. Kell Pavlik 9-29
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i was going to make this thread, and give my opinion, but then, a) i'm white, and b) i live 1/2 mile from the youngstown city limits. you could guess who i think is going to win. i know probably 10 separate people going to atlantic city this weekend, which means the crowd will be way in favor of pavlik, because half the city of youngstown will be flying in on friday..plus, taylor's fans haven't had too much to be excited over the last few fights. youngstown fans are hungry from any kid of champion ever since the days of boom boom mancini..my grandpa still tells the story of watching him fight at a local high school football stadium.. pavlik WILL be coming forward throwing big, hard, straight punches, and the fight will bend on whether jermain can counter that... my only choice right now is when to bet...will pavlik's price go up, or down? p.s. ignore the white comment. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] If you wanted us to ignore the "white comment" you could have deleted it instead of writing "ignore the white comment." |
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Re: Jermain Taylor vs. Kell Pavlik 9-29
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[ QUOTE ] i was going to make this thread, and give my opinion, but then, a) i'm white, and b) i live 1/2 mile from the youngstown city limits. you could guess who i think is going to win. i know probably 10 separate people going to atlantic city this weekend, which means the crowd will be way in favor of pavlik, because half the city of youngstown will be flying in on friday..plus, taylor's fans haven't had too much to be excited over the last few fights. youngstown fans are hungry from any kid of champion ever since the days of boom boom mancini..my grandpa still tells the story of watching him fight at a local high school football stadium.. pavlik WILL be coming forward throwing big, hard, straight punches, and the fight will bend on whether jermain can counter that... my only choice right now is when to bet...will pavlik's price go up, or down? p.s. ignore the white comment. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] If you wanted us to ignore the "white comment" you could have deleted it instead of writing "ignore the white comment." [/ QUOTE ] I'm a huge Jermain Taylor fan. I've watched A LOT of his fights. While he didn't look impressive against Ouma, Wright and Spinx, all of those fighters are awkward. Keep in mind how many times he teed off on Ouma even though Ouma who kept coming forward. Ouma has the BIGGEST HEART out of all the boxers and people in general. Ouma had to fight in a war when he was 6. Ouma is not the type of person that goes down EASY in a fight. So who has Pavlik fought? I see Pavlik as a "Great White Hope."(in response to your comment and this is not to be offensive). Whose the top person on Pavliks resume? Edison Miranda? Please. Edison wouldn't last a second against Jermain. However, I wouldn't totally discredit an undefeated fighter like Kelly Pavlik who did look good. I just won't bet to much on this fight,lol. I'm going for Jermaine straight up. |
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Re: Jermain Taylor vs. Kell Pavlik 9-29
Sometimes with fighters who have yet to fight somebody well known it isn't always about Who they've beat, but it's about How they've beat them. I think this should be taken into account as well in regards to Pavlik. As a boxing fan I feel this is a great match-up and I'm glad it's not on PPV. I know I said I'm picking Taylor by KO, but I wouldn't be surprised if Pavlik wins by KO, while I'm putting a unit or two on Taylor at 3 to 1, I will also be enjoying the fight for what it is.
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Re: Jermain Taylor vs. Kell Pavlik 9-29
I also looked to start a thread wondering if Pavlik is a steal at +116. I'm not arguing either side here, just love Kelly at +116 from a betting perspective. From a fan perspective I am looking forward to this, as this will deliver what Hatton/Mayweather won't.
Quick fact: No Steward trained fighter has lost after going to Emmanuel's camp in the Poconos to train, where Taylor trained for this. (17-0) |
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Re: Jermain Taylor vs. Kell Pavlik 9-29
The other fight on this card should be interesting as well. Andre Berto vs. David Estrada. David Estrada is a very exciting fighter of the arturo Gatti mold. His fight with Kermit Cintron was amazing last year. Berto is a former olympian who has had very little trouble in the pro ranks so far, but he was dropped by Cosme Rivera fairly hard in his last fight. There are two ways to look at that. He got dropped by an 11 loss fighter, there are some flaws. Or, he survived his first real challenge with passing colors. I like to think the latter. You can get Estrada at almost 3 to 1, so might be a play. But Estrada, at 28, has been in a lot of tough fights, and a smooth boxer such as Berto will probably give him trouble.
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Re: Jermain Taylor vs. Kell Pavlik 9-29
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The other fight on this card should be interesting as well. Andre Berto vs. David Estrada. David Estrada is a very exciting fighter of the arturo Gatti mold. His fight with Kermit Cintron was amazing last year. Berto is a former olympian who has had very little trouble in the pro ranks so far, but he was dropped by Cosme Rivera fairly hard in his last fight. There are two ways to look at that. He got dropped by an 11 loss fighter, there are some flaws. Or, he survived his first real challenge with passing colors. I like to think the latter. You can get Estrada at almost 3 to 1, so might be a play. But Estrada, at 28, has been in a lot of tough fights, and a smooth boxer such as Berto will probably give him trouble. [/ QUOTE ] Estrada at 3-1 is a nice price. Estrada went all 10 rounds with Shane Mosely. Mosley might not be the biggest puncher, but he can do some damage. Estrada also went 10 hard rounds with Cintron. Berto is starting to face some real competition in his last few bouts. Before the Cosme Rivera fight, Berto last 2 opponets had a combined 26 losses and one of those guys had a losing record. If you go back even further to about only a year ago Berto was fought 3 guys with a combined 60 loses. I am not saying Berto is going to lose, but he looks like a master blaster in the ring, but a lot like Darchinayan and Rocky Juarvez, Berto could be another young fighter who gets built up to fast in the odds makers eyes so their odds are way overpriced, even thought they have yet to prove they are truly an elite level fighter. Tuds |
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Re: Jermain Taylor vs. Kell Pavlik 9-29
SIA has taylor at -111 on a 3-way line, and pinny has a draw at +1800. approximately what is SIA's taylor line converted to a 2-way?
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Re: Jermain Taylor vs. Kell Pavlik 9-29
I like Estrada at a good price as well.
Aaron Pryor jr's dad was a stone-cold pimp. Gotta rewatch those Pryor v Arguello matches again, they were absolute wars. |
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Re: Jermain Taylor vs. Kell Pavlik 9-29
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Quick fact: No Steward trained fighter has lost after going to Emmanuel's camp in the Poconos to train, where Taylor trained for this. (17-0) [/ QUOTE ] Really that is a pretty cool stat. I was there last week Emmanuel Steward and about 20 fighters from Knonk were there as well. It was cool because the summer is over so the place was deserted. It was literally my family, 2 others and all the boxers. So we basically ran into Jermain and the others everywhere- gym, dinner, pool etc. Everyone was pretty chill, the workouts were open to the public so we went down for a few hours and stood next to the ring watching them spar, jump rope and hit the bags. Jermain Taylor autographed the beater he worked out in the last day and gave it to me. Andy Lee, Kermit Cintron, James Cintron, Jon Banks, and Aaron Pryor Jr. were the other auto's I got. For what it is worth it didn't seem like Jermain was the one preparing for a huge fight this weekend. I only watched them train about 1-2 hours per day so its possible I just missed Jermain with his game face on, but he seemed to be goofing around some while a guy like Andy Lee was being a workout warrior. I'm just staying away from betting this fight now. I was on board for Pavlik but now after meeting him I can't root against Jermain. Great matchup that I don't mind watching as a fan and not having money at risk. |
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Re: Jermain Taylor vs. Kell Pavlik 9-29
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[ QUOTE ] Quick fact: No Steward trained fighter has lost after going to Emmanuel's camp in the Poconos to train, where Taylor trained for this. (17-0) [/ QUOTE ] Really that is a pretty cool stat. I was there last week Emmanuel Steward and about 20 fighters from Knonk were there as well. It was cool because the summer is over so the place was deserted. It was literally my family, 2 others and all the boxers. So we basically ran into Jermain and the others everywhere- gym, dinner, pool etc. Everyone was pretty chill, the workouts were open to the public so we went down for a few hours and stood next to the ring watching them spar, jump rope and hit the bags. Jermain Taylor autographed the beater he worked out in the last day and gave it to me. Andy Lee, Kermit Cintron, James Cintron, Jon Banks, and Aaron Pryor Jr. were the other auto's I got. For what it is worth it didn't seem like Jermain was the one preparing for a huge fight this weekend. I only watched them train about 1-2 hours per day so its possible I just missed Jermain with his game face on, but he seemed to be goofing around some while a guy like Andy Lee was being a workout warrior. I'm just staying away from betting this fight now. I was on board for Pavlik but now after meeting him I can't root against Jermain. Great matchup that I don't mind watching as a fan and not having money at risk. [/ QUOTE ] This is very interesting. Great post. I'm leaning towards decreasing my bet or not betting at all. Berto will also be facing a tough competitor as well. I may not bet all. |
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