nl400 KK overpair

82Steve · #1 09-26-2007, 09:58 AM

villain is taggy 24/14/2.8

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($70)
BB ($354.05)
Hero ($404.80)
MP ($441.60)
Button ($399.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $16, MP calls $16, 3 folds.

Flop: ($38) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $30, MP calls $30.

Turn: ($98) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $66, Hero calls $66.

River: ($230) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $160, Hero calls $160.

Final Pot: $550

thoughts?

Laetus · #2 09-26-2007, 10:02 AM

I would definitely bet the turn instead of C/C.

ChrisV · #3 09-26-2007, 10:05 AM

Nasty river spot, but I think there's enough uncertainty that you have to pay off. It's hard to put MP on a hand as he could float here with just about anything.

Snygaard · #4 09-26-2007, 10:12 AM

I definetely bet turn. If I checked it would be in order to c/r. River spot is nasty. probably call

82Steve · #5 09-26-2007, 10:39 AM

hmm, what does a turn c/r accomplish. protection isnt important in this spot and i am only getting called by sets.

i much prefer leading although i kinda think it has the same consequences as a c/r.

my thought process why i c/c was, that i am probably only making more money on this hand when he is bluffing or thinking his 99 (or whatever) is good. but betting or c/ring isnt gonna do it. against sets im losing the least and vs. the rest the most. please tell my why you think my logic is flawed.

Hattifnatt · #6 09-26-2007, 10:41 AM

I c/r the turn, the cold call from MP is often a medium/high PP and the most players raise the flop here with a set so I am most worried about TT that is not many combos.

aditya · #7 09-26-2007, 10:43 AM

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hmm, what does a turn c/r accomplish. protection isnt important in this spot and i am only getting called by sets.

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You're not protecting when you c/r turn. You're doing it for value. But I prefer b/f (based on reads of course) or b/c to c/r.

82Steve · #8 09-26-2007, 10:46 AM

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hmm, what does a turn c/r accomplish. protection isnt important in this spot and i am only getting called by sets.

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You're not protecting when you c/r turn. You're doing it for value. But I prefer b/f (based on reads of course) or b/c to c/r.

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i knew it was for value. but what hands are calling our valueraise? doesnt it look exactly like what it is? i doubt those med pps are calling it.

aditya · #9 09-26-2007, 10:48 AM

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hmm, what does a turn c/r accomplish. protection isnt important in this spot and i am only getting called by sets.

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You're not protecting when you c/r turn. You're doing it for value. But I prefer b/f (based on reads of course) or b/c to c/r.

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i knew it was for value. but what hands are calling our valueraise? doesnt it look exactly like what it is? i doubt those med pps are calling it.

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exactly, which is why I don't like it. Cause if you c/r there, everything you beat folds, and everything that you don't pushes on you, and you have to call because of the odds your getting.

Praetor · #10 09-26-2007, 12:55 PM

beeettt tturn