fun hand vs. unknown - standard dbl paired river

[keikiwai]

how's flop?

how many of you keep going on turn?

i figured he's bluffing so often that i should just call and raise most rivers (or bet if checked to), yeah?

on this particular turn, it seems like i can only call, yeah?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $219.65
BB: $226.75
UTG: $200.00
MP: $186.00
CO: $206.40
keikiwai (BTN): $495.30

Preflop: keikiwai is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">keikiwai raises to $8.00</font>, SB folds, BB calls $6.00

Flop: ($17) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, keikiwai checks

Turn: ($17) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">keikiwai bets $13.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $30.00</font>, keikiwai calls $17.00

River: ($77) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $44.00</font>

[Kimpan]

I like to bet this flop for protection and information.

[keikiwai]

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I like to bet this flop for protection and information.

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you get cred a lot imo and get folds not very often

[Kimpan]

why do you think we get c/r a lot here? cause we are unlikely to have hit?

[Tony Skaloni]

call river as played but doesn't he make that play alot with 7x Tx or a PP... like 3 betting turn seems fine. if u really think he is just bluffing i guess mini raise the river and maybe he'll do something stupid.

[tannenj]

elaborate on turn play? i agree that he has air a bunch of the time, but i don't hate 3betting.

i'd just call river as played.

[keikiwai]

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elaborate on turn play? i agree that he has air a bunch of the time, but i don't hate 3betting.

i'd just call river as played.

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just cause if he's bluffing he folds to a 3 bet

and if i call he gets a chance to mess up again

[Fonkey123]

agree with tannenj

[Nick Royale]

Checking the flop is fine because no better hands will fold and few worse will call. We also don't mind giving Ax a free card. Betting is ok too imo because he's likely to have a bunch of outs and it will make the hand easier to play on future streets. Don't think an unknown will c/r a lot, but if we bet we will need to fold the best hand some. I think I prefer checking the flop.

On a 2 flushed board I just 3-bet the turn, many players will overplay their FDs so get as much in as possible. If he has the other 4 we'd like to get it in as soon as possible as any club/spade on the river might scare him into c/c on the river. Villain could put us on a draw on the turn given the board and pay off with a T. I think you're overestimating how often villain c/r the turn with air.

[Jay Riall]

I prefer betting this flop just because we have a hand that can stand no pressure on later streets and he often has a lot of outs to win (and we don't know what they are). I would 3bet this turn and get it in. Too many draws out there for my liking, and he can still have Tx, 4x etc. Call the river obv.