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09-25-2007, 01:15 PM
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Re: 30NL: QQ, Deep & OOP Play Along
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[ QUOTE ] Good post. I guess where your thoughts differ from mine was where you weight the smallish bets more heavily towards AK whereas I weighted them more heavily towards TT+. They screamed value bets to me but clearly that is debatable. I thought the flop check/call was completely fine and it's good to see that at least someone else somewhat agrees with that. By leading the turn, I'm guessing that we are going to have to call an all in raise and hope he's got AK or QQ huh? [/ QUOTE ] bet/fold, i dont think QQ is a concern and AK i doubt ever shoves here. You'd be behind 99%, im not sure what odds we get. I dont think i even care [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] If I lead the turn for say around half the pot ($20ish) villain's raise all in won't even double my bet size. So to me, it only makes sense to bet if we are planning to call all in. 
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#42
09-25-2007, 01:19 PM
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Re: 30NL: QQ, Deep & OOP Play Along
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Good post. I guess where your thoughts differ from mine was where you weight the smallish bets more heavily towards AK whereas I weighted them more heavily towards TT+. They screamed value bets to me but clearly that is debatable. I thought the flop check/call was completely fine and it's good to see that at least someone else somewhat agrees with that. By leading the turn, I'm guessing that we are going to have to call an all in raise and hope he's got AK or QQ huh? [/ QUOTE ] bet/fold, i dont think QQ is a concern and AK i doubt ever shoves here. You'd be behind 99%, im not sure what odds we get. I dont think i even care [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] If I lead the turn for say around half the pot ($20ish) villain's raise all in won't even double my bet size. So to me, it only makes sense to bet if we are planning to call all in. [/ QUOTE ] uNL say this alot and i think its a leak. In short, Odds mean nothing when you lose to everything Even if AK bluffs here, he doesn't bluff enough for you to be able to call. You can bet less to save chips too.
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#43
09-25-2007, 01:37 PM
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Re: 30NL: QQ, Deep & OOP Play Along
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Good post. I guess where your thoughts differ from mine was where you weight the smallish bets more heavily towards AK whereas I weighted them more heavily towards TT+. They screamed value bets to me but clearly that is debatable. I thought the flop check/call was completely fine and it's good to see that at least someone else somewhat agrees with that. By leading the turn, I'm guessing that we are going to have to call an all in raise and hope he's got AK or QQ huh? [/ QUOTE ] bet/fold, i dont think QQ is a concern and AK i doubt ever shoves here. You'd be behind 99%, im not sure what odds we get. I dont think i even care [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] If I lead the turn for say around half the pot ($20ish) villain's raise all in won't even double my bet size. So to me, it only makes sense to bet if we are planning to call all in. [/ QUOTE ] uNL say this alot and i think its a leak. In short, Odds mean nothing when you lose to everything Even if AK bluffs here, he doesn't bluff enough for you to be able to call. You can bet less to save chips too. [/ QUOTE ] I get what you are saying but if you include some hands like AdJd, AdQd, AdKd along with TT+ as his range that might felt, you are getting closer to a tough decision. Throw in a couple other frustration pushes that he could show up with occasionally and folding QQ could become marginal. But, as you pointed out, you don't necessarily have to bet 1/2 the pot, so the odds could change.
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