QQ, bad flop, turns a gutshot...

[Daniel Magix]

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (5 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero ?

Final Pot: 3.50 BB

Small pot, few outs - easy fold? Should I have raised the flop in hopes of getting a check on the Turn and a free look at the river?

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Just fold the flop. You dont have to win every pot, did you know that?

If he keeps donking try and get a note on what he does it with.


The turn is closer to a call than the flop. You now have 4 more cards to improve over Ax and Kx and you might get a free SD if villain gives up on the river.

That said you need to fold the turn as well. But flop play is pretty bad.

[bozlax]

DM, all I can say is that a couple of weeks ago we were criticizing you for giving your opponents too much credit. Here you give him too little. Fold the flop.

As to raising the flop for a free turn: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. With a read that he's an incorrigible bluffer that doesn't have a fold button on his client, you might make a high-variance value raise.

[Oink]

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As to raising the flop for a free turn: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. With a read that he's an incorrigible bluffer that doesn't have a fold button on his client, you might make a high-variance value raise

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If you could see villains cards and say they were 98o. Would you raise the flop?

DONT RAISE A MARGINAL HAND IF YOUR OPPONENTS RANGE IS EITHER A HAND THAT CRUSHES YOU OR A STUPID BLUFF THAT WILL FOLD TO A RAISE!

Corollary: DONT RAISE DONK BETS!

[Daniel Magix]

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As to raising the flop for a free turn: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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WTF you laugh at me for?! HU 4 rollz pt2?!







(note to Tyler: This is not a serious challenge - just a joke)

[Bulletproof Monk]

CANT TAKE IT BACK NOW ROUND TWO BEGINS!

[Daniel Magix]

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CANT TAKE IT BACK NOW ROUND TWO BEGINS!

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No way. I actually have more than $1.43 now, and I am trying to get my Limit game tightened up so that I can hopefully grind out a roll suitable for something more than .02/04. Boz ain't geting my money any time soon (unless he drops by the Stars .02/04 tables).

But back to this hand - occasionally I will read a response of "peel one off", in regards to calling one SB when overs hit vs. your pair. In my case here, it seems a fold on the flop was in order. Is this simply because the pot size is so small? If I had 4 other players in the hand that called the PFR and then the flop bet, would that have been a "peel one off" situation?

[Bulletproof Monk]

i dont think you can ever call this flop without an absolutely huge pot.

would need an exact situation, but for a big enough pot you will have a lot of players in. that means you will have 1 out (Qh), or 0 outs (against JT)

sometimes ppl are b/f here (in the posted hand), and a flop raise as the last money put in to the pot would be justified. but you need a solid read for that.

[SNOWBALL]

just fold the flop. Your reverse implied odds are horrible.