quick poll, if you would be so kind #2 (WITH JJ)

[omikron]

Same as the other one. This time though you have JJ.

600nl.

Action is folded to you in co, and you make it $21 with JJ.

An unknown 22/17 (over decent datamined sample, 1st orbit of the table) 3b to $72 on the button.

It is folded back to you.

[omikron]

and I suppose it would be interesting to analyse play on the same type of flops as analysed in the AQ thread if we decide to call. Namely:

a) low rags
b) Q high unconnected
c) A high

Other types of flops could be thrown in like QT9, T9x, 987, K high, sooted in JJ's suit.

[ttgirl]

i think these polls are kind of stupid since were praying an unknown is at the bottom of his range while were readless. i also dont think many people should be giving you honest answers since its super exploitable...

[silenced]

4betting here is pretty standard....at 5/10 at least

[jfish]

call mostly, 4bet if thats a big part of your game and you have a weakly defined 4b range. shove never unless you have a weakly defined shoving range (which means you probably messed up somewhere). obviously call after you 4b lol.

[Darkfolder]

I call almost always in this spot. If you have a lot of history with villain 4-betting and calling a shove is fine too.

[shootaa]

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i think these polls are kind of stupid since were praying an unknown is at the bottom of his range while were readless. i also dont think many people should be giving you honest answers since its super exploitable...

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Not really. If you're 4 betting here, you're doing so w/ AQ+ and some other hands some of the time. If you're calling here, you could have any pair, planning on crai on some flops or AK and the same. The only choice thats exploitable is if you fold here / 4 bet fold here.

[omikron]

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i think these polls are kind of stupid since were praying an unknown is at the bottom of his range while were readless. i also dont think many people should be giving you honest answers since its super exploitable...

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Not really. If you're 4 betting here, you're doing so w/ AQ+ and some other hands some of the time. If you're calling here, you could have any pair, planning on crai on some flops or AK and the same. The only choice thats exploitable is if you fold here / 4 bet fold here.

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It is interesting that 4bet/folding has been condemned. Maybe just some sick variance, but the last ~10 times I've 4bet/called (with JJ or QQ) I've seen a higher pair every time.

[Some9]

I don't wanna play this OOP in 3bet pot wihtout history. 4bet seems much better. He shoves - I scream AK - and call.