Folding QQ preflop - Too conservative?

[mackthefork]

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I like the fold.
@ 10NL i think this is AA / KK a lot of the time;
it's often: "oh [censored] I got AA how do I play this"
either: "I slow play, muhahhahaha"
or: "AAAA, push and hope he calls"

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I'd be more likely to call that push than a please call me raise, especially from unknown types at that limit.

Mack

[clowntable]

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.336% 49.93% 01.40% 36764358 1033849.00 { QdQs }
Hand 1: 48.664% 47.26% 01.40% 34797016 1033849.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }


Its NL10 and him just having air 2-3% of the time makes this a call. But if you tilt easily then I guess you could fold.
At NL25+ Im folding this.

oh and 9.04PTBB/100 over 13K hands when I was playing NL10 and I mostly called with QQ AI PF

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Take the AQ out of the range and we know why we should fold. Personally I think villain doesn't push here with AQ and maybe not even with JJ but if you think he does the call is obviousely right.
To the poster that said "call all day and beat JJ": You play vs a range and not vs a hand. Just because you sometimes happen to run into the worst end of the range doesn't mean it's a call.
Another bonus of folding this is that you don't go on a tilting rampage after he flips over AA/KK and you curse yourself for your play. This one is player dependant but it used to happen to me all the time.

p.s.: <rant> Less "oh look I run so good at level X" bragging in strategy posts. The credibility of your reply can be judged by the content provided. Posting your winrate over a huge sample size is not neccessary. </rant>

[Bad Beat Maker]

I was just trying to rick roll someone there. But honestly at $10NL, not any higher, I would be tempted to call here. Lets be serious.

[pbx]

zzz not a rant but merely saying that at NL10 standard donk villain will push this with AQ. Also remember that pokerstove doesnt take count for the fact that a very small part of villains range may be air. Which tends to make this a call more imo.

p.s <rant> the winrate post was in spirit of the thread and for a little bit of fun </rant>

[Spurious]

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I was just trying to rick roll someone there. But honestly at $10NL, not any higher, I would be tempted to call here. Lets be serious.

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That's why a line like this one is very effective at those stakes against thinking decent opponents.
People think: "Hmm, if he had AA/KK he wouldnt push, therefore i call with QQ".
It is a coinflip at best. No usual opponent 4bets AI with JJ preflop.

[Caelallaiach]

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.336% 49.93% 01.40% 36764358 1033849.00 { QdQs }
Hand 1: 48.664% 47.26% 01.40% 34797016 1033849.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }


Its NL10 and him just having air 2-3% of the time makes this a call. But if you tilt easily then I guess you could fold.
At NL25+ Im folding this.

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Do these stats assume that every part of the range is equally likely apart from the fact that you can make AK more ways than you can make AA. If so, I'm not sure these figures are too reliable since it might be true that the Villain is twice as likely to hold KK than JJ say and that would make the result very different. Do you see what I mean? I don't think Villain is as likely to shove with JJ as he is with KK simply because most Villain's wouldn't do that.

[ama0330]

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because ive never been a fish, and have been doing what ive been doing. wierd sentence sorry

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Please stop sucking at posting, thanks

[Waingro]

I don´t see how we can fold here. I see people shove midpairs all the time because they suck. I would call here and be pretty happy about it. If we had some sort of read that this only ever is KK+ and maybe AK that would change things a lot obv.

[Quester]

A fold here with no solid reads would be terrible, IMO. Villain could be squeezing with a mid-PP or another hand that we have killed. We're ahead of his range here.