50 NL - OESFD gets raised on flop

[hurtchow]

No reads, unfortunately. I haven't played a pot with either of these players and I haven't noticed either of them to be particularly loose or aggressive.


Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $70.57
BB: $50.00
UTG: $75.95
MP: $5.50
CO: $22.44
BTN: $42.10

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($3) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $9.00</font>, UTG folds, MP calls all-in for $5.00, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero ????????</font>

[Lego05]

Reraise.

[UFGatorGuy]

I'm never folding. It's entirely possible MP has a better flush draw, but it's highly unlikely BB does. We're playing for the BB's stack here, though, so I raise here. You have a ton of outs and even if you are against a set, it's not too bad.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3415327
pokenum -h qh jh - 5s 5h -- 9h th 5c
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5c Th 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qh Jh 417 42.12 573 57.88 0 0.00 0.421
5s 5h 573 57.88 417 42.12 0 0.00 0.579

I think TT and 99 are unlikely based on BB's preflop check, so you're most likely up against something like TPGK.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3415389
pokenum -h qh jh - kh ts -- 9h th 5c
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5c Th 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qh Jh 635 64.14 355 35.86 0 0.00 0.641
Ts Kh 355 35.86 635 64.14 0 0.00 0.359

There's also a bunch of random hands you are crushing. I raise to 27-33 and obviously call a push.

[hurtchow]

Could you be a little more specific? How much should I be raising? Am I looking to get all in here? Or should I make it $25-$35? What if I raise, and he shoves? Should I ever fold this?

ETA - Gator you posted that as I was posting this. I was responding to the first reply. Thanks, btw.

[Lego05]

All-in. I guess you could make it 36 or w/e. But then you're just gonna get it in on the turn anyway.

[Nick C]

With MP in the hand and all-in, folding equity isn't really that important here -- probably you're going to have to improve to win. But your draw is so good that I think you might as well make a big 3-bet or just push.

The case for just calling would be that (1) BB will most likely pay you off anyway if you catch, (2) BB may not charge you much on the turn if you miss on that street, and (3) BB is very unlikely to fold the flop. As I mentioned, #3 is not as relevant as it would be ordinarily (because of MP), but #1 is a concern (especially since you're out of position), and given that BB raised big on the flop, there's a good chance he's not letting you off cheap on a blank turn.

Basically, you probably have an equity edge (even your overs might be worth something), so I think you might as well get your money in while you have the best of it. I think MP's presence does make the decision closer than it would be otherwise, though.

[EMc]

Ill say it before, ill say it again:

When you are counting outs and run out of fingers just shove.