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Old 09-23-2007, 07:42 PM
Traumfabrik Traumfabrik is offline
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Default 400 getting the timing right for the second barrel

Hand1. villian is unknown my image is semilag. My reasoing was that too often he has a set or weird twopair here. Just push the turn and represent the overpair ?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $761.10
Hero (BB): $463.00
UTG: $521.30
CO: $109.75
BTN: $539.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14.00</font>, SB calls $12.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $56.00</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $42.00

Flop: ($126) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $95.00</font>, SB calls $95.00

Turn: ($316) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($316) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $316.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $316.00 returned to SB

Pot Size: $316.00 ($3 Rake)

Hand 2. I think the river bet is def +ev since a K suits perfectly my range. The question is should i fire the turn again against an unknown since he most likeley holds a midpair ? My reasoning was that my hand is too good to get raised out of the pot on the turn
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $268.15
BB: $442.80
UTG: $370.00
MP: $509.00
Hero (CO): $392.00
BTN: $511.10

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $4.00, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $18.00</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $14.00

Flop: ($42) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $31.00</font>, UTG calls $31.00

Turn: ($104) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($104) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $82.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $321.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $239.00 returned to UTG

Pot Size: $268.00 ($3 Rake)


Hand 3. Villian is tag. i played it safe but i wonder if bet or even check/ raise turn is better since it is really putting the pressure on him for all his chips.

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Hero (SB): $670.40
BB: $515.50
UTG: $482.00
CO: $284.20
BTN: $889.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, CO calls $4.00, <font color="red">BTN raises to $20.00</font>, Hero calls $18.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($48) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $32.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $64.00</font>, BTN calls $32.00

Turn: ($176) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $132.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $132.00 returned to BTN

Pot Size: $176.00 ($3 Rake)
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Old 09-23-2007, 07:45 PM
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Default Re: 400 getting the timing right for the second barrel

1: std

2: i fire, you have alot of equity which makes up for lack of FE (dont like river, too bluffy)

3: flop raise sucks
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Old 09-23-2007, 07:49 PM
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Default Re: 400 getting the timing right for the second barrel

in hand 3 u just call and check/fold the turn ? seems too weak to me
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Old 09-23-2007, 08:13 PM
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Default Re: 400 getting the timing right for the second barrel

More comments pls
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Old 09-23-2007, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: 400 getting the timing right for the second barrel

Hand 1: not a good spot for a 2barrel imo. Given his line so far, I doubt he's folding much of his range on this blank turn.

Hand 2: 2barrel here is probably good. I think you get a fold from a better hand often enough, and I doubt that you're going to get checkraised in this spot very often. You'll also be occasionally building a pot against a stubborn, worse flushdraw, or a good jack that's playing it wa/wb and will pay off a reasonable bet on the river.

As played, I think you'll get looked up by alot of hands when you bet the river.

Hand 3: I'm not really a fan of the flop check/minraise. I would just c/c and reevaluate on the turn.
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Old 09-23-2007, 08:49 PM
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Default Re: 400 getting the timing right for the second barrel

to hand 3 i have so many time the best hand but absolutly no outs but a boatload of hands that scare me on the turn ?
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Old 09-23-2007, 08:55 PM
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Default Re: 400 getting the timing right for the second barrel

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in hand 3 u just call and check/fold the turn ? seems too weak to me

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so you're saying that c/minraising and giving up on turn is better? As for the first 2, hand 1 is good, and hand 2 I'd fire the turn again almost always.
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Old 09-23-2007, 09:02 PM
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Default Re: 400 getting the timing right for the second barrel

what does he do when he isholding just overcards, which means possible 12% to hit and very bad implied odds.
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Old 09-23-2007, 10:18 PM
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Default Re: 400 getting the timing right for the second barrel

1. 2 barrel is bad for many reasons. Two reasons not to fire: two flush draws out, QJ has few outs (compared to AK, KQ,AQ) vs potential overpairs.

2. fire turn, push him off weak pairs. Him c/r:ing is unlikely. If he is really really weak tight post flop bet the K

3. As far as standard play goes -&gt; check/call and reevaluate turn. Under the right conditions a min c/r might work out for you. Stupid to pull big bluffs with very few outs imo.
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Old 09-24-2007, 03:38 AM
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Default Re: 400 getting the timing right for the second barrel

1 its fine.

2 I bet turn here and if it goes check check probably not river sins its just such a bluffcard that most hands will call anyway

3 dont like it. I checkriase larger.
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