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09-23-2007, 12:47 PM
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donk opponent, flopped open ended straight/flush draw, what to do
How should I play this hand? This guy was a big time calling station the hands earlier, Should I push the turn?
Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25/$0.50BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief) Button ($56.80) (Hero) SB ($144.80) BB ($16.00) MP2 ($18.25) MP3 ($50.50) CO ($65.47) Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] MP2 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to 2.0</font>, Hero calls $2.00, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $1.50, Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( $6.75 ) MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $2.50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to 7.0</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, CO calls $4.50, Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( $20.75 ) <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $5.50</font>, Hero calls $5.50, River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( $31.75 ) <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $6.50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to 26.0</font>, CO calls $19.50, Final Pot: $80.75 
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#2
09-23-2007, 12:58 PM
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Re: donk opponent, flopped open ended straight/flush draw, what to do
this seems ok. I actually don't hate a turn push the more I think about it. Kh is a good card for it IMO...
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#3
09-23-2007, 01:02 PM
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Re: donk opponent, flopped open ended straight/flush draw, what to do
I raise more on the flop here to like $10 because you are a still a big favorite against villains range so for value, and he likely is'nt folding here. The larger pot might scare him out of donking the turn, but even as played the turn donk is an easy call. You usually have no FE when they donk the turn like this because villain is basically just trying to showdown his weak top pair or overpair, with the chance of trying to draw cheaply.
I raise to more on the river as well. Standard for me would be to $30 but I think this guy is probably calling $35 or more. Calling stations love to snap off bluffs, so could work to your advantage to shove.
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#4
09-23-2007, 01:10 PM
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Re: donk opponent, flopped open ended straight/flush draw, what to do
Ugh...you are semi-bluffing a calling station with 9 high. Horrid.
Call with odds, make your hand, value bet. Collect monies. Don't bluff with 9 high even though you have a gazillion outs vs. someone who will pay you off if you hit.
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#5
09-23-2007, 01:12 PM
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Re: donk opponent, flopped open ended straight/flush draw, what to do
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Ugh...you are semi-bluffing a calling station with 9 high. Horrid. Call with odds, make your hand, value bet. Collect monies. Don't bluff with 9 high even though you have a gazillion outs vs. someone who will pay you off if you hit. [/ QUOTE ] Raising on the flop here is for value though. Calling the turn is a no brainer.
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#7
09-23-2007, 05:41 PM
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Re: donk opponent, flopped open ended straight/flush draw, what to do
As I said semi-bluffing. But, you haven't got there yet. If they won't fold their pair and will pay off when you hit, don't go aggressive.
22 beats 9 high last time I checked. Think of it this way. You get some in on the flop, some in on the turn and you don't hit the river...you save the last bet. or you get some in on the flop, some in on turn, hit on the river and he pays you off. Against a TAG with fold to flop bet of 79%...your play is standard and superb. You might win with 9 high because he folds.
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#8
09-23-2007, 06:27 PM
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Re: donk opponent, flopped open ended straight/flush draw, what to do
[ QUOTE ]
Call with odds, make your hand, value bet. Collect monies. Don't bluff with 9 high even though you have a gazillion outs vs. someone who will pay you off if you hit. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly, 100%, totally correct. Why gamble with an opponent who will pay you when you've got the goods? Oh, and if you wanted any more proof that your turn play was correct, consider this: ----- River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( $31.75 ) <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $6.50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to 26.0</font>, <font color="blue">CO calls $19.50</font> ----- You said villain was a calling station. Your hand is utter crap at the turn. Your pot odds are sufficient for calling and hoping for a flush. Your implied odds are even tastier. You have no folding equity against a stronger hand. You did it just fine. If he had K6, that's just tough luck, but pushing the turn doesn't change the result, here. The big reason NOT to push the turn is so that you can check behind or fold on the river if you miss your draw. Why pay $25 to win $45 when you can pay $5 to win $45??
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