3+R Spot in BB with big combo draw on turn.

MJBuddy · #1 09-21-2007, 09:55 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 (t24240)
MP2 (t9480)
MP3 (t4085)
CO (t5382)
Button (t12315)
SB (t33670)
Hero (t9840)
UTG (t5825)
UTG+1 (t14980)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t300, 6 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t950) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks.

Turn: (t950) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets t300, Hero calls t300, UTG raises to t5500, SB calls t5200, Hero calls t5200.

River: (t17450) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t17450

I'll post my thoughts either as a bump, in defense, or after some other posts pop up :P.

MJBuddy · #2 09-21-2007, 09:59 PM

This is not the hand I thought I converted. Give me a sec to edit.

Edit: FIXED!!!!!

erc007 · #3 09-21-2007, 10:21 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 (t24240)
MP2 (t9480)
MP3 (t4085)
CO (t5382)
Button (t12315)
SB (t33670)
Hero (t9840)
UTG (t5825)
UTG+1 (t14980)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t300, 6 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t950) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks.

Turn: (t950) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets t300, Hero calls t300, UTG raises to t5500, SB calls t5200, Hero calls t5200.

River: (t17450) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t17450

I'll post my thoughts either as a bump, in defense, or after some other posts pop up :P.

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What do u think UTG's range is here? I think that 77;88 make up a big part of it after his action on thr turn. U have a huge draw, but u need 2 to 1 (if all 15 outs are clean) to make calling EV+ on the turn. If he has a made hand, even a badly-played AA, u still have to fold.

U shouldn't post the river action...but i guess u lost to Axss?

MJBuddy · #4 09-21-2007, 10:48 PM

I am getting 2 to 1 to call.

erc007 · #5 09-21-2007, 11:08 PM

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I am getting 2 to 1 to call.

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Sorry MJ...didn't even see that SB coldcalled that huge raise. Were you concerned he (SB) may have a bigger diamond draw?

cheburashka · #6 09-22-2007, 12:05 AM

Hi MJ,

My goal in life is one day to play as well as you, so in the interest of discussion rather than advice...

I don't think this works. If this were a clear case of 15 outs vs. 2+:1 odds, then obviously you're fine. For example, if the flop were AsKd8d, one could assume that UTG is on Ax, Kx, or 88 and make the calculation. But as it stands, there seems to be a reasonable probablity either that nines or both nines and sevens aren't outs. As the "15 clean outs vs. overpair" scenario barely works out with current pot odds (unless you think you can get substantially more from SB), then I think this is a fold.