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Old 09-21-2007, 12:06 PM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

preflop is no good, flop is ok, turn i think I lead, but sometimes c rai if I think he calls with AQ/AJ. Villain nearly potting turn sometimes indicates a flush draw on the turn which helped him. Depending how decent utg is, he could stack off with a mediocre kicker, I vote for check raise all in on turn as played. River, you would know if he value bets AQ/AJ here so I think the a call depends on what you have seen from him before, otherwise might be a fold, nto sure if I could tho.
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:11 PM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

The key here imho is the turn bet by the villain...who really knows about the flop seems like a good spot to call and play some poker on flop....

But on turn villain already saw you call on a scary board for a caller and call a good sized bet. He has to put you on an ace bc there arent any draws....he isnt scared of an ace bc he fires again trying to build a pot...he then has a pot too big to fold and thinks now that he has built the pot why not just push and force you to call with decent odds.

He has a big hand like AK or bigger imho. He might have just really savaged an AQ...who knows donkeys are everywhere.....but no matter the pot odds are way to good to fold probably so you make a crying call and you might be no good.

If he has an AQ thats a horrendous turn bet by him. Hed be better off just pushing turn that doing that stupidity.
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Old 09-21-2007, 01:22 PM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

I don't mind a flop fold to be honest
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Old 09-21-2007, 01:23 PM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

Flop lead or check-minraise are also very viable I think because of the dry nature of the board.
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Old 09-21-2007, 01:24 PM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

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I assume you hate the PF call also then...just saying.
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Old 09-21-2007, 01:25 PM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

I don't hate it, against a good UTG raiser I'd prefer to dump it pf, I'd call on the button though with a cold caller in between us.
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Old 09-21-2007, 01:28 PM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

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Old 09-21-2007, 01:29 PM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

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I don't hate it, against a good UTG raiser I'd prefer to dump it pf, I'd call on the button though with a cold caller in between us.

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Depends on the game...but realize 4 handed if you are in there and flop the ace you HAVE to at least call the flop and play some poker...they just ARENT going to have an ace that much of the time plus you got backdoor stuff manytimes and the 2 pair out...

Gotta take one off and see what happens on turn...or you cant call a raise with it 4 handed imho...
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Old 09-21-2007, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

hm didn't realize it was 4-handed, in that case I like a squeeze pf better than a call.
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Old 09-21-2007, 01:43 PM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

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Thats great have fun getting run over everytime you play shorthanded.

If you are gonna play A4s like this its a pump or fold in this situation....
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