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Old 09-20-2007, 11:32 PM
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Default Re: midpair vs squeeze

yeah fold seriously is best.. maybe if u were a little stronger u could call and shove but i think 88 falls below the line of profitablitiy
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:57 PM
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Default Re: midpair vs squeeze

How squeeze-happy is this guy? Against the typical multi-tabling TAG, I think fold is best. Against your looser 3-bettors I kind of like a call/shove good flops - though if is 3-betting wide, its really hard to say what a "good flop" is. Meh. More of a read would help. But against your typical guy, I think fold is the best play.
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:17 AM
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Default Re: midpair vs squeeze

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what do you think of option 3?

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There is 254 in the pot on the flop and he has 350 behind. Any reasonable c-bet pot commits him. I don't like shoving over a cbet on any flop but you could probably shove any non-A flop where he checks.
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Old 09-21-2007, 01:53 AM
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Default Re: midpair vs squeeze

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Old 09-21-2007, 11:48 AM
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are you shoving over a cbet? he's gonna be committed w/ any reasonable cbet - seems borderline suicidal. or only shoving when checked to?
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:54 AM
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Default Re: midpair vs squeeze

Fold vs a tag, maybe make a move vs a habitual squeezer.

This is just what the tags want, you making a guess with 88.
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:11 PM
AcTiOnJaCsOn AcTiOnJaCsOn is offline
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Default Re: midpair vs squeeze

pretty easy fold
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:53 PM
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Default Re: midpair vs squeeze

You only consider calling here once in a while i hope. 3 is your best option here ofcourse. Whenever i squeeze here with something decent if i flop top pair vs you im all in,and a draw im all in. You get no credibility for a hand here with this call. Hes only going to fold to your push is he hits absolutely nothing which cant be profitable with a hand like 88. Calling with the intention of shoving over a cbet on "any flop" vs "tag guy" just seems pretty optimistic. Worth discussion though.
1 is your best option obviously.
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Old 09-21-2007, 04:54 PM
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Default Re: midpair vs squeeze

I consider this an easy fold. Coldcalling with QQ-AA is a fine play, and then you can shove now. 88 is going to the muck super fast because he can play perfectly against you in this spot unless you are trapping with said QQ-AA, which really doesn't happen that often. So you are drawing thin when the money goes in, and he folds pf when you are ahead.
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Old 09-21-2007, 05:00 PM
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Default Re: midpair vs squeeze

At 2/4, against typical TAGs, this is a clear fold IMO. The raise looks suspiciously small and he probably doesn't have AK. You can put in all the ranges you want, but shoving would be horrible.
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