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Old 09-21-2007, 11:15 AM
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What is up with all the c/r turn talk? Standard case of 'only getting called if beat'.

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Yeah, I see what you mean. Leading for around 3/4 pot would be good, IMHO.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:16 AM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

fold preflop, flop is close... call turn, call river.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:18 AM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

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What is up with all the c/r turn talk? Standard case of 'only getting called if beat'.

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In OP he says his image is loose. Therefore you could expect a call from AQ or AJ maybe. However, I believe the call is the best line on the turn.

I think a blocking bet would be the best option on this river. That flush card hitting is a great card for a block bet. However, Based on his stack size I don't know if you can fold to a shove over your blocking bet. On the other hand if you block bet and he shoves, unless he is a complete moron you are beat, so I guess you should fold.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:21 AM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

A reason for a turn c/r would be to protect against straight/flush-draws; not for getting called AQ/AJ.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:29 AM
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Default Re: nl200 - im a pussy, i wanna fold my 2pairs

If you narrow his range to just AQ/AJ/A10, why not CR the turn? If that is his range, he's drawing to a Q, J, or 10, and a K or 5. That's 9 outs with each hand, but you're worried if a Q, J, or 10 falls.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:30 AM
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Call, of course. You got yourself into this, what else can you do? Preflop and flop are very marginal IMHO.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:32 AM
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If you narrow his range to just AQ/AJ/A10, why not CR the turn? If that is his range, he's drawing to a Q, J, or 10, and a K or 5. That's 9 outs with each hand, but you're worried if a Q, J, or 10 falls.

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You want more money from him and think he may 3-barrel those hands unimproved, but will likely fold them to a c/r. You are already going broke so you don't care what falls on the river.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:42 AM
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Call, of course. You got yourself into this, what else can you do? Preflop and flop are very marginal IMHO.

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I think this mentality is a mistake. Every decision and every $1 is important. If you believe you're beat you should fold. If you believe you are ahead a large enough percentage of the time on this river, then call. But always make a decision.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:54 AM
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Call, of course. You got yourself into this, what else can you do? Preflop and flop are very marginal IMHO.

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I think this mentality is a mistake. Every decision and every $1 is important. If you believe you're beat you should fold. If you believe you are ahead a large enough percentage of the time on this river, then call. But always make a decision.

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] The decision is that you are ahead enough of the time to call given the odds. But it's worth thinking of how not to get into these spots.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:59 AM
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Call, of course. You got yourself into this, what else can you do? Preflop and flop are very marginal IMHO.

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I think this mentality is a mistake. Every decision and every $1 is important. If you believe you're beat you should fold. If you believe you are ahead a large enough percentage of the time on this river, then call. But always make a decision.

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] The decision is that you are ahead enough of the time to call given the odds. But it's worth thinking of how not to get into these spots.

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Is a weak two pair good on this river 1 out of every 3 times, against an utg raiser who has bet every street hard. IMO, it is not.
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