NL 200 - JTs

[BoozeHound]

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I also can't count the number of times people will fire 88, KQ, 76s whatever into me on turn and river when I check the flop. Way more value here than trying to charge a few random straight draws/protect from the 2 overcards.

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Are you willing to call another bet if a K or Q falls on turn? 2 bets?

[Unknown Soldier]

i think you overestimate that too, generally when they have called pf they check and call more then they bet and raise. In my experience.

guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, I'm betting this flop alot.

[solids]

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I also can't count the number of times people will fire 88, KQ, 76s whatever into me on turn and river when I check the flop. Way more value here than trying to charge a few random straight draws/protect from the 2 overcards.

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88 has you crushed.

Also, you know nothing about the strength of villain's hand. You check behind flop, and call a good sized bet on the turn and river? Really? A lot of his range has you beat.

[frenchfish]

I might call like u from time to time in position ([censored] miniraises).But if i am calling here it s not only to catch a T or a J ,i m calling coz i plan on outplaying him if he shows weakness on turn.
To make a miniraise on flop he either have a really strong hand or he is trying to find out where he stands cheaply also it can be a cheap bluff ,his bet on the turn looks real weak, i raise to 70 and give up if called.
Risky against an unknown but his bets smells like weakness to me on that board.

[Jay Riall]

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a random 200nl player? nah i dont think so. I know you like checking behind on alot of flops where our hand is vulnerable jay, and i do too if the board is really drawy. But there is alot of value in a flop bet here. We don't get raised too often.

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Value from what? The straight draws which are a very small part of his range? Smaller pairs? We still have 2 streets to get value from these and they typiclly put money in a lot more readily on later streets. A check bet bet line usually gets like, no credit from random players at 200NL, I do it with weak Aces on this board all the time and get called by all kinda of crap hands.

[Jay Riall]

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Also, you know nothing about the strength of villain's hand. You check behind flop, and call a good sized bet on the turn and river? Really? A lot of his range has you beat.

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We are easily good enough to call most of the time. If he bets turn and river I sometimes fold river when my sixth sense kicks in.

[Unknown Soldier]

a cbet gets no credit either

[Chaos_ult]

c-betting this flop sucks.

Your hand has value. Why fold out everything that we're currently beating?

[Unknown Soldier]

lol @ betting sucking

you might prefer a check over a bet, but a bet is definitely not bad

[Jay Riall]

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a cbet gets no credit either

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What? This is like the best board there is to fold out pairs smaller than a Jack.