Preflop decision with ladies against hachem

[king_of_drafts]

The minraise is especially bad because PaintedBird is so short, I'd flat call the first 1k, and then I fold this for sure to Hachem

[bigt439]

[ QUOTE ]
The minraise is especially bad because PaintedBird is so short, I'd flat call the first 1k, and then I fold this for sure to Hachem

[/ QUOTE ]

exactly what i was going to type. hate the minraise.

[stephenNUTS]

[ QUOTE ]
The minraise is especially bad because PaintedBird is so short, I'd flat call the first 1k, and then I fold this for sure to Hachem

[/ QUOTE ]

Hachem NEVER has AK here ,as its either KK or AA

[Chaoslord]

ye if you just flatcall you can get away easily, now getting 2-1 its closer but still a fold imo. also keep in mind that hachem is not a very strong player, so i wouldnt be surprised if he shows up with AK here at least sometimes

[DJ Sensei]

[ QUOTE ]
ye if you just flatcall you can get away easily, now getting 2-1 its closer but still a fold imo. also keep in mind that hachem is not a very strong player, so i wouldnt be surprised if he shows up with AK here at least sometimes

[/ QUOTE ]

My thoughts during the hand were that raising would almost make it easier to fold to a shove (and thus the minraise), given the amount of strength a 5-bet would indicate. If I just call, he can put me on a wider range of hands (or can he?) and perhaps shove lighter, putting me to a tougher decision.

Would you smoothcall or reraise with AA? KK? AK? And what do you think Hachem's assumption of these ranges might be? What does he put me on when I minreraise?

[soah]

[ QUOTE ]
My thoughts during the hand were that raising would almost make it easier to fold to a shove (and thus the minraise), given the amount of strength a 5-bet would indicate. If I just call, he can put me on a wider range of hands (or can he?) and perhaps shove lighter, putting me to a tougher decision.

Would you smoothcall or reraise with AA? KK? AK? And what do you think Hachem's assumption of these ranges might be? What does he put me on when I minreraise?

[/ QUOTE ]

coldcalling would be for 16% of your stack, so no one would be getting even close to the right price to try to overcall and set mine against you... so yes, you could do it with any big hand, and I think it's probably correct to just call there with any hand you want to play. No one should be making a move at you because your range is pretty strong at this point (including the nuts) and the guy that shoved in front of you should have a reasonable range as well.

as for what Hachem would think, I obviously don't know anything much about him specifically, but I think in general people are not going to be giving your min-reraise more respect than a coldcall due to what I mentioned above, and because the reraise looks like you're trying to isolate with a good, but vulnerable hand.

also, coldcalling and folding to a shove behind you is cheaper than what you did, so in order to justify the extra investment you need to believe that your reraise gives you *significantly* better information when you do face a shove. I don't think that is the case.

[DJ Sensei]

nice soah, thats a good case for coldcalling

[stephenNUTS]

[ QUOTE ]
also, coldcalling and folding to a shove behind you is cheaper than what you did, so in order to justify the extra investment you need to believe that your reraise gives you *significantly* better information when you do face a shove. I don't think that is the case.[ QUOTE ]


Well said

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]


coldcalling would be for 16% of your stack, so no one would be getting even close to the right price to try to overcall and set mine against you... so yes, you could do it with any big hand, and I think it's probably correct to just call there with any hand you want to play. No one should be making a move at you because your range is pretty strong at this point (including the nuts) and the guy that shoved in front of you should have a reasonable range as well.



[/ QUOTE ]

Soah, doesn't the 25, 50, 185, 925 & 925 in the pot give a set miner enough 'pot + stack odds' to set mine? Just playing devil's advocate.

[soah]

when you factor in the chances of getting stacked by an overset, you need something like 11:1 with implied odds to set mine... this hand isn't even close to that