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Old 09-20-2007, 05:43 AM
cestlavie cestlavie is offline
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Default Re: JJ vs tag, prolly standard

Looks like an overpair QQ+ or AKs of clubs.
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Old 09-20-2007, 05:46 AM
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Default Re: JJ vs tag, prolly standard

I fold here
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Old 09-20-2007, 05:54 AM
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Default Re: JJ vs tag, prolly standard

Pretty easy call.
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Old 09-20-2007, 06:22 AM
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Default Re: JJ vs tag, prolly standard

Call cos he's so laggy i guess...

Is this a fold vs a 21/15/3
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Old 09-20-2007, 07:50 AM
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Default Re: JJ vs tag, prolly standard

muck fast
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Old 09-20-2007, 07:52 AM
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Default Re: JJ vs tag, prolly standard

we are calling because we think AT or fd?....seems like less than 1/2 his range...
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:20 AM
Asgrow13 Asgrow13 is offline
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Default Re: JJ vs tag, prolly standard

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Call?

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Huh? Why? I think this is QQ+, AKc, TT pretty much always.

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Yeah, I would have to agree. Those of you who are saying call, what range do you put the villian on? Seems to me that a lot of the time he shows up with TT, QQ-AA and has you drawing to 2 outs, and the rest of the time he has AKcc or AQcc and you're 50/50. Seems like an easy fold to me. No?
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:23 AM
SnglMaltScotch SnglMaltScotch is offline
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Default Re: JJ vs tag, prolly standard

I fold this and fast. He either has an overpair to our JJ or a draw with Ac and probably Kc or Qc. We are in bad shape either way.
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Old 09-20-2007, 10:06 AM
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Default Re: JJ vs tag, prolly standard

We're getting almost 2:1 so obv. need 33% equity to call. Against an extremely solid range, we can see it's a fold. However, add 88,99 just two hands he could be "bluffing" with and our equity skyrockets. I think it becomes very obvious that villain doesn't have to be bluffing very often at all to make this a snap call given his range.

OP, moral of the story...call and expect to lose a lot. Also, if you feel villain won't ever bluff here, than def. consider just calling pf.


Board: Tc 4c 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 18.985% 17.34% 01.65% 4978 472.50 { JhJs }
Hand 1: 81.015% 79.37% 01.65% 22787 472.50 { TT+, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, KcQc, 9c8c, 7c6c, 7c5c }



Board: Tc 4c 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.905% 37.74% 01.16% 15319 472.50 { JhJs }
Hand 1: 61.095% 59.93% 01.16% 24326 472.50 { 88+, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, KcQc, 9c8c, 7c6c, 7c5c }
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Old 09-20-2007, 10:21 AM
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Default Re: JJ vs tag, prolly standard

I call.
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