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Old 09-20-2007, 05:40 AM
JFsports JFsports is offline
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Default Re: 56s blind battle

you have to fold the river
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Old 09-20-2007, 06:40 AM
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Default Re: 56s blind battle

I kinda like a preflop RR, a flop raise, a turn raise and, like jfish said, a river shove if deeper.

But your line looks good too. Have to fold river i believe though.
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:04 AM
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Default Re: 56s blind battle

i would raise the flop
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Old 09-20-2007, 10:31 AM
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Default Re: 56s blind battle

Looks good. now fold river. Turn raise is bad because you are not really repping anything other than j9.
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Old 09-20-2007, 10:41 AM
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Default Re: 56s blind battle

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nobody likes a turn raise?

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Repping exactly j9?

He wont fold many hands if he is good

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This is BvB. Villain's range includes air/overcards
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:03 AM
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Default Re: 56s blind battle

Really easy fold with no history
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:27 AM
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Default Re: 56s blind battle

We'd be calling to do what exactly, pickoff one of the three or four combinations of hole cards that exist that we can beat? We have 4th pair, no kicker, and just about every conceivable hand is there by the river. Are you hoping that he missed with 76o?
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:54 AM
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Default Re: 56s blind battle

I think most solid players are just giving up on the turn with most of their hopeless hands most of the time, and betting again if they have a bit of something, or a draw - so even if he bets this river with his entire range upon getting there, it's still tough to find a call - all you you really beat here are hands like KQ, QT, T8, and a couple spade flush draws. Flushes, aces up, and sets, are all possible/likely here as far as legitimate hands go. If he's bluffing here with his busted hands then it's no stretch to think he could also be bluffing here a few 77 type of hands as well that you can't beat.

I didn't run any of this through pokerstove but it feels like we need to be making some pretty generous assumptions in order to make this a close call... and generally if something is only neutral EV when using favorable assumptions, that means it's -EV in the long run in real life.
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:57 AM
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I don't really see what you beat on the river. Other than 67 and maybe a few flush draws.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:54 PM
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Default Re: 56s blind battle

Even that is unlikely. For this to be a missed flush, SB would have to have led the flop with an XsXs hand, without an Ace in it. Considering we hold 6s5s, this is extremely unlikey.
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