QQ against possible TAG OOP

[friend_]

Villain is 21/15/3 but only 40 hands, no reads.

Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $5.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">MP ($663.96)</font>
Button ($366.96)
SB ($163.50)
BB ($426.67)
Hero ($630.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, MP calls $20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $17.50, BB calls $15.

Flop: ($80) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $60</font>, MP calls $60, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($200) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $145</font>, Hero calls $145.

River: ($490) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $438.96 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $928.96

2 questions:
1) did I miss the check-raise allin?
2) would you call this river as played?

[Borned_Luckbox1]

bet turn?

[PartyScout]

This is just horrible,you did this to yourself bu=y checking the turn.Whats the point or reasoning for checking the turn?Im not calling the turn to fold the river so you either like your hand or you dont.I would make my mind up by the turn raise/fold Calling turn is just horrible

[Ghostbiker]

Bet the turn or check/raise allin the turn

[heresjohnny]

yeah bet or crai on turn.

[NoPokerInAfrica]

Partyscout, could you explain why you think calling the turn is so horrible? Can you make that fold on the turn? Or are you saying that with stacks this small you\'re resigned to lose your whole stack if you\'re behind so you should just CRAI? It seems like you\'re saying it\'s one or the other. Maybe you can elaborate more on that.

I can see how betting out on the turn might be better, but given that he checked, you\'re saying that calling is the worst option.

As played, I think you have to fold river...what does villain think you have after you call turn? I think you see a set here too often, though its definitely close given those odds. Hard spot with no read.

[PartyScout]

Ok,when we check turn in this spot it usaully means we are unsure about our holdings.The op has not mentioned but from his play it looks as if he if giving villin credit for a better hand.

So this is why the turn call is bad(if we think we are beat we should fold)If we think we are still ahead CRAI turn

I think how this hand played out is pretty bad as the OP seems to have lost confidence in the hand as it progresses.I just dont see point calling turn to fold a river.Distcusting!

Hope my thought process is clearer for you now [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Would OP like to share his thoughts on each street(or am i right by saying you just lost confidence through the hand)

[CadillacZack]

Straight from the weak tight school of poker.

[Kristian]

I am not nearly as disgusted as other posters, although I would prefer betting turn. Given that you just checked turn, I think you played it fine.

[ogdundar]

CRAI on the turn is better than this.