NL600 QQ to 4 bet preflop

[$upermad4it]

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $575.00
BB: $775.85
UTG: $623.00
MP: $800.00
CO: $633.00
Hero (BTN): $672.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $21.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $66.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $195.00</font>, Hero calls $129.00

Flop: ($399) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($399) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($399) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $120.00</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $519.00

Villian is 17/13. No unusual threebetting activity. Think I was playing 26/22 or so. Anyone fold pre?Dont think I can call river even with those odds? Hows my line

[pokeriseasy]

Shove or fold preflop, as played I think I call the river, although his bet does look like he's valuetowning.

[$upermad4it]

I dont know if I like a shove pre with QQ against a 4 bet against a 17/13 nit (I prefer a fold to a shove)

[I rebluff you]

PF is fine, bet the turn please. Definitely a call on the river, terrible fold.

[$upermad4it]

you think? what 4 bets me preflop UTG+1 from a 17/13 that I beat?

[pokeriseasy]

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I dont know if I like a shove pre with QQ against a 4 bet against a 17/13 nit (I prefer a fold to a shove)

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Then fold, if you think his range is weighted heavily towards AA and KK. If you are just playing you hand for set value then I'm guessing you are making this call with 22-JJ?

Flatting preflop looking to hit a Q is bad, your decision is preflop.

[Pete H]

Against this guy I fold preflop.

[I rebluff you]

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Then fold, if you think his range is weighted heavily towards AA and KK. If you are just playing you hand for set value then I'm guessing you are making this call with 22-JJ?

Flatting preflop looking to hit a Q is bad, your decision is preflop.

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Terrible advice. 4bet shove PF against a NIT and you'll see AA KK. Hero has position why waste it shove PF? Much better to hit the flop and see what villain does.

[AAismyfriend]

wtf.....how do you justify calling his 4 bet and than folding on the river getting odds like this?

[$upermad4it]

ok so I figure I'm up against AK/AA/KK/QQ/JJ preflop I figure a call is OK to the 4 bet (not sure about this) and I'm obv not playing for set odds. I dont beat any of these hands at the river.