So I defend w/ a bad ace, flop top pair and it's 2-bets back to me...

[bobhalford]

It's ok to defend with this hand if the SB folded. Then we are defending against a steal. But when the SB calls, it's too likely that we are up against a better ace. So it's best to just fold. If you really want to call preflop, then you will have to shout an expletive and fold the flop.

I'd rather have 76o in this spot.

[TheHip41]

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Are the answer to this question as simple as fold PF fold flop without good reasoning behind it? First off CO Villan is raising from the CO in a 5 handed 2/4 game so he could have wide range here.

Second when button calls 2 cold from the button he could have a very wide range of hands here (OP whats buttons stats or do you have no stats/reads on him either?).

I think PF is close because you can almost consider buttons hand as not containing an A since if it did and decided to play it he should be 3 betting. I almost consider buttons hand is horrible because calling two cold in that spot with any hand just seems bad unless both blinds are super loose.

At best I would put buttons range as high implied odd type hands or low pp and a small possiblity of absolute trash that he decided to call 2 cold with (this is 2/4 right so a possiblity IMO).

Post flop CO is just c-betting this flop so we should be ahead of his range majority of the time because anyone who raised PF from the CO should be c-betting this flop a good portion of the time.

When the button raises I put button on a flush draw but then again this is based on the hand ranges I put button on when he called 2 cold with. It would really help if OP had buttons stats or reads here since that makes the decision much easier.

If button has history of calling 2 cold on the button with hands he should be 3 betting preflop then by all means fold. But if this isn't the case I don't see how you can fold this PF or on the flop.

I'd 3 bet and if CO has an A he should make it pretty clear on the flop or the turn. There is just no way I ever think I'm behind of buttons range here. What hand does button have that has us beat here? 66 99 he should have 3 bet, if he does have an A and has us outkicked he shouldn't have played it or he should have 3 bet right?

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seriously, you are thinking too much, your hand sucks, fold PF.

I have played hundreds of thousands of hands, and I think this is a really easy fold. So what you should do is listen to the ppl that know what they are talking about.

The reason you fold pf is simple. Look at the flop. You hit a very good flop for you in a 3 way raised pot, top pair, and you can't even see the turn. Does it make sense ifyou think about it that way?

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Okay, this post is completely worthless . Did I post here asking what I should do pre-flop? I'm pretty sure I didn't. It is an interesting point of discussion and a spot I am rarely in. Why not just imagine my hand was A5s and continue with the much more interesting and discussion worthy post-flop decision.

And your ridiculing of Maka's analysis is just hilarious. You tell him he is thinking too much then tell him he needs to listen to people who know what they're talking about. I really shouldn't have to enumerate how illogical that is.

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sweet, you can use big words, very nice.

The point is, the flop play is exactly why you fold PF, and it warrants discussion since it's a posted hand. This PF call is really bad.

And yes, the OP is asking what to do in this spot, good players are telling him to fold, and fold PF, and he's asking why. I first said that he should fold because I told him to fold, because I'm a good player.

Then, I expanded to say, he should fold, because when he flops top pair, he still has no clue what to do.

THis is why you fold pf.
Ppl may nice like how I post, but I do know what I'm talking about.

[maka2184]

Sorry I didn't mean to offend Hip but what would you do if you have like A5s (diamonds for this example). How would you play the hand post flop in the same exact scenario that OP posted?

Better yet how does everyone play this hand postflop if you had like A5 diamonds and protected from the BB in the OP's situation (postflop)? Am I just playing these situations completly wrong?

[JacksonTens]

hmmm, PF raiser c-bet is nothing, or is it?
could rasier have a FD or SP?

Can we call and evaluate turn

Can u 3bet and c/f turn if they both call?

JT