So I defend w/ a bad ace, flop top pair and it's 2-bets back to me...

[lippy]

No reads on villains, less than 20 hands. The converters just butcher the hand, so, sorry about that.


cozzy0826 posts the small blind of $1.
andwhatthen posts the big blind of $2.

andwhatthen: 5h As
Pokobot: -- --
Mystic_Mocha: -- --
Barking Rat: -- --
cozzy0826: -- --

Pre-flop:

Pokobot folds. Mystic_Mocha raises to $4. Barking
Rat calls. cozzy0826 folds. andwhatthen calls.

Flop (board: Ac 6s 9s):

andwhatthen checks. Mystic_Mocha bets $2. Barking
Rat raises to $4. andwhatthen ...?


3-bet or fold?

Logic for 3-bet; donk = midpair, raise = wtf u have a midpair, I have tens (or a FD). Fold is the more reasonable option but would like to hear your opinions.

[Absolution]

I would fold and this is the reason I generally fold this pre-flop.

[thepizzlefosho]

depends on reads, but usually I fold here. BTW this wasn't a donk, but a continuation bet from the pf raiser. And a bet from a pfr and a raise from a late position cold-caller usually means someone else has another A. If so you are drawing to 3-outs and obviously have horribly RIO. If you show a ton of strength on the flop they'll put you on the A and fold out any hand you are beating.

I think you should probably muck barring a read that these guys are spewing. With the right read you could 3-bet and lead the turn (to keep a flush draw from taking a free card).

[Gurravasa]

I fold pf agains a raise and a call with A4o every time. The reversed implied odds suck...

[jba]

this is an easy flop fold. pf is close and can swing either way for me.

[TheHip41]

fold pf, fold the flop

[Scorcho]

Install Mark Seif's UB/AP card viewer before playing A5o out of position against a raiser and a caller.

[maka2184]

Are the answer to this question as simple as fold PF fold flop without good reasoning behind it? First off CO Villan is raising from the CO in a 5 handed 2/4 game so he could have wide range here.

Second when button calls 2 cold from the button he could have a very wide range of hands here (OP whats buttons stats or do you have no stats/reads on him either?).

I think PF is close because you can almost consider buttons hand as not containing an A since if it did and decided to play it he should be 3 betting. I almost consider buttons hand is horrible because calling two cold in that spot with any hand just seems bad unless both blinds are super loose.

At best I would put buttons range as high implied odd type hands or low pp and a small possiblity of absolute trash that he decided to call 2 cold with (this is 2/4 right so a possiblity IMO).

Post flop CO is just c-betting this flop so we should be ahead of his range majority of the time because anyone who raised PF from the CO should be c-betting this flop a good portion of the time.

When the button raises I put button on a flush draw but then again this is based on the hand ranges I put button on when he called 2 cold with. It would really help if OP had buttons stats or reads here since that makes the decision much easier.

If button has history of calling 2 cold on the button with hands he should be 3 betting preflop then by all means fold. But if this isn't the case I don't see how you can fold this PF or on the flop.

I'd 3 bet and if CO has an A he should make it pretty clear on the flop or the turn. There is just no way I ever think I'm behind of buttons range here. What hand does button have that has us beat here? 66 99 he should have 3 bet, if he does have an A and has us outkicked he shouldn't have played it or he should have 3 bet right?

[TheHip41]

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Are the answer to this question as simple as fold PF fold flop without good reasoning behind it? First off CO Villan is raising from the CO in a 5 handed 2/4 game so he could have wide range here.

Second when button calls 2 cold from the button he could have a very wide range of hands here (OP whats buttons stats or do you have no stats/reads on him either?).

I think PF is close because you can almost consider buttons hand as not containing an A since if it did and decided to play it he should be 3 betting. I almost consider buttons hand is horrible because calling two cold in that spot with any hand just seems bad unless both blinds are super loose.

At best I would put buttons range as high implied odd type hands or low pp and a small possiblity of absolute trash that he decided to call 2 cold with (this is 2/4 right so a possiblity IMO).

Post flop CO is just c-betting this flop so we should be ahead of his range majority of the time because anyone who raised PF from the CO should be c-betting this flop a good portion of the time.

When the button raises I put button on a flush draw but then again this is based on the hand ranges I put button on when he called 2 cold with. It would really help if OP had buttons stats or reads here since that makes the decision much easier.

If button has history of calling 2 cold on the button with hands he should be 3 betting preflop then by all means fold. But if this isn't the case I don't see how you can fold this PF or on the flop.

I'd 3 bet and if CO has an A he should make it pretty clear on the flop or the turn. There is just no way I ever think I'm behind of buttons range here. What hand does button have that has us beat here? 66 99 he should have 3 bet, if he does have an A and has us outkicked he shouldn't have played it or he should have 3 bet right?

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seriously, you are thinking too much, your hand sucks, fold PF.

I have played hundreds of thousands of hands, and I think this is a really easy fold. So what you should do is listen to the ppl that know what they are talking about.

The reason you fold pf is simple. Look at the flop. You hit a very good flop for you in a 3 way raised pot, top pair, and you can't even see the turn. Does it make sense ifyou think about it that way?

[lippy]

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Are the answer to this question as simple as fold PF fold flop without good reasoning behind it? First off CO Villan is raising from the CO in a 5 handed 2/4 game so he could have wide range here.

Second when button calls 2 cold from the button he could have a very wide range of hands here (OP whats buttons stats or do you have no stats/reads on him either?).

I think PF is close because you can almost consider buttons hand as not containing an A since if it did and decided to play it he should be 3 betting. I almost consider buttons hand is horrible because calling two cold in that spot with any hand just seems bad unless both blinds are super loose.

At best I would put buttons range as high implied odd type hands or low pp and a small possiblity of absolute trash that he decided to call 2 cold with (this is 2/4 right so a possiblity IMO).

Post flop CO is just c-betting this flop so we should be ahead of his range majority of the time because anyone who raised PF from the CO should be c-betting this flop a good portion of the time.

When the button raises I put button on a flush draw but then again this is based on the hand ranges I put button on when he called 2 cold with. It would really help if OP had buttons stats or reads here since that makes the decision much easier.

If button has history of calling 2 cold on the button with hands he should be 3 betting preflop then by all means fold. But if this isn't the case I don't see how you can fold this PF or on the flop.

I'd 3 bet and if CO has an A he should make it pretty clear on the flop or the turn. There is just no way I ever think I'm behind of buttons range here. What hand does button have that has us beat here? 66 99 he should have 3 bet, if he does have an A and has us outkicked he shouldn't have played it or he should have 3 bet right?

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seriously, you are thinking too much, your hand sucks, fold PF.

I have played hundreds of thousands of hands, and I think this is a really easy fold. So what you should do is listen to the ppl that know what they are talking about.

The reason you fold pf is simple. Look at the flop. You hit a very good flop for you in a 3 way raised pot, top pair, and you can't even see the turn. Does it make sense ifyou think about it that way?

[/ QUOTE ]

Okay, this post is completely worthless . Did I post here asking what I should do pre-flop? I'm pretty sure I didn't. It is an interesting point of discussion and a spot I am rarely in. Why not just imagine my hand was A5s and continue with the much more interesting and discussion worthy post-flop decision.

And your ridiculing of Maka's analysis is just hilarious. You tell him he is thinking too much then tell him he needs to listen to people who know what they're talking about. I really shouldn't have to enumerate how illogical that is.