Absolute Soulreading/Rigged thread #3

[traxamillion]

I haven't played on UB for months but UB = Absolute now correct? So Doubledrag could have swooped my money if I was playing on UB during this time?

[Chump Change]

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I haven't played on UB for months but UB = Absolute now correct? So Doubledrag could have swooped my money if I was playing on UB during this time?

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No. But any cashout/affiliate/rakeback problems you might've encountered are definitely the result of that.

[Deuce2High]

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I am the last person to ever subscribe to any conspiracy theory regarding anything at all, but when I was playing the abs 1k on august 22 a few weeks back I was on AIM with Inissint and he was telling me about this player "payup" who was just winning literally every hand on another table....He eventually got moved to my table and then left and back again and eventually beat me hu, but it really was fairly unreal. I do not have the patience to sift through this whole hh to weed out the hands payup was in, but if anyone is so inclined they can do the honors......

and if I am wrong about payup, I apologize in advance, although if he is out there, I am so confident that I will pay him 1k for his exposed hole cards hand history so long as it can be authenticated.

and if there is any way to condense this I pre-authorize the mods to do so.

sheets


also, as I recall, "Thegrinder" was at his table for a long time as well (not michael mizrachi...thegrinder plays on stars as dumpingkgb and as pxfactor on ftp if anyone knows him maybe they can get him to find his hh)

edit...never mind, it is way too big, but i will email it to whoever can condense it and post it...please pm me

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Payups PokerDB....

Date Buyin Tournament/Event Place Entrants Winnings

9/7/2007 $50 NL Hold'em 40 235 —

8/25/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 248 306 —

8/22/2007 $1,000 NL Hold'em 1 119 $35,700.00

8/18/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 248 365 —

8/14/2007 $100 NL Hold'em 20 85 —

8/14/2007 $50 NL Hold'em 63 136 —

8/13/2007 $3 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 628 713 —

8/9/2007 $10 NL Hold'em 54 121 —

6/20/2007 $1,000 NL Hold'em 28 94 —

6/4/2007 $10 NL Hold'em 51 134 —

6/1/2007 $3 NL Hold'em 6 19 —

5/30/2007 $3 NL Hold'em 3 16 —

5/22/2007 $3 NL Hold'em 2 13 $12.00

5/14/2007 $30 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 165 207 —

5/10/2007 $25 NL Hold'em 225 315 —

5/9/2007 $20 NL Hold'em 59 85 —

5/1/2007 $25 NL Hold'em 114 299 —

3/22/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 328 396 —

3/21/2007 $3 NL Hold'em 27 29 —

3/20/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 219 426 —

3/20/2007 $3 NL Hold'em 35 42 —

[showtime808]

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This is the response I got from AP:
Dear XXXXXXXXX,

Thank you for contacting us.

Yes we are aware of all this posts, we always try to be aware of what
our customers, think of our service and if they enjoy playing with us.
That’s why we are always checking into all of the concerns that our
players have and we have taken actions already in this case, because of
our company policies we cant let you know what those actions are, but we
can let you know, that it wasn’t any type of hacking, it was just
someone who didn’t know how to play poker and a hole lot of luck.

If there is anything else we can assist you with please let us know.

Sincerely,

Jose
Team Absolute ~ Security & Control Department



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This is just disgusting.

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very [censored] disgusting, not only are they keeping everything secret in the emails, they cant even spell the words right. what the hell is up with the support over there.

[ibluffoldladies]

Scientific Method.
Assumption: The cheaters could actually see the hole cards.
Theory 1: Cheaters are a rogue group of hackers who somehow hacked into AP's servers and compromised hole card information
Theory 2: Cheaters actually work for AP and used "security" accounts or "super" accounts to view the hole cards

Prediction-Theory 1 If theory 1 is correct, the expected response from AP would be swift. The accounts would be closed, a press release issued to their customers detailing exactly what happened, and then a detailed response about how they will ensure this kind of security breach will never happen again.

Prediction-Theory 2: The response from AP would be slow, and perhaps non-existent. They would drag their feet while formulating an excuse, and perhaps release a few small PR's to judge public response-basically, what we're seeing right now.

[adanthar]

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I am the last person to ever subscribe to any conspiracy theory regarding anything at all, but when I was playing the abs 1k on august 22 a few weeks back I was on AIM with Inissint and he was telling me about this player "payup" who was just winning literally every hand on another table....He eventually got moved to my table and then left and back again and eventually beat me hu, but it really was fairly unreal. I do not have the patience to sift through this whole hh to weed out the hands payup was in, but if anyone is so inclined they can do the honors......

and if I am wrong about payup, I apologize in advance, although if he is out there, I am so confident that I will pay him 1k for his exposed hole cards hand history so long as it can be authenticated.

and if there is any way to condense this I pre-authorize the mods to do so.

sheets


also, as I recall, "Thegrinder" was at his table for a long time as well (not michael mizrachi...thegrinder plays on stars as dumpingkgb and as pxfactor on ftp if anyone knows him maybe they can get him to find his hh)

edit...never mind, it is way too big, but i will email it to whoever can condense it and post it...please pm me

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I need to leave soon and have only seen half of this HH so far, but Payup is another cheater.

It's absolutely the same betting pattern and inability to play well coupled with soul seeing behavior.

Sample hand. Note the fact that *two* eights are missing from the deck, giving 87 4 outs total, and the fact that Payup only minraises PF (with 88 behind him) and then check/calls that "great" flop despite the fact that, as usual, he's playing 80/70:

COCESARYUME - Posts small blind $800
QUAT4444 - Posts big blind $1600
Dealt to COCESARYUME [8h 8s]
THE GRINDER - Folds
DAVIDP18 - Folds
PAYUP - Raises $3200 to $3200
ADSKIY_BOSS - Folds
DRAWGANGSTA - Folds
BLANCONEGRO - Raises $8000 to $8000
COCESARYUME - Folds
QUAT4444 - Folds
PAYUP - Calls $4800
*** FLOP *** [10d 6h 9h]
PAYUP - Checks
BLANCONEGRO - Bets $12222
PAYUP - Calls $12222
*** TURN *** [10d 6h 9h] [4h]
PAYUP - Checks
BLANCONEGRO - Bets $24000
PAYUP - Raises $48000 to $48000
BLANCONEGRO - All-In(Raise) $27650 to $51650
PAYUP - Calls $3650
*** RIVER *** [10d 6h 9h 4h] [10c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BLANCONEGRO - Shows [8c 7s] (Straight, six to ten)
PAYUP - Shows [Ah Kh] (Flush, ace high)

[Deuce2High]

A pattern is forming with these poker DBs. All of the accounts that are being affected have long histories to them. Whoever is doing this is getting their hands on newb accounts with virtually no difficulty. That could mean that this is an inside job or a group effort.

[adanthar]

Payup's pokerdb:


Date Buyin Tournament/Event Place Entrants Winnings
9/7/2007 $50 NL Hold'em 40 235 —
8/25/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 248 306 —
8/22/2007 $1,000 NL Hold'em 1 119 $35,700.00
8/18/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 248 365 —
8/14/2007 $100 NL Hold'em 20 85 —
8/14/2007 $50 NL Hold'em 63 136 —
8/13/2007 $3 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 628 713 —
8/9/2007 $10 NL Hold'em 54 121 —
6/20/2007 $1,000 NL Hold'em 28 94 —
6/4/2007 $10 NL Hold'em 51 134 —
6/1/2007 $3 NL Hold'em 6 19 —
5/30/2007 $3 NL Hold'em 3 16 —
5/22/2007 $3 NL Hold'em 2 13 $12.00
5/14/2007 $30 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 165 207 —
5/10/2007 $25 NL Hold'em 225 315 —
5/9/2007 $20 NL Hold'em 59 85 —
5/1/2007 $25 NL Hold'em 114 299 —
3/22/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 328 396 —
3/21/2007 $3 NL Hold'em 27 29 —
3/20/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 219 426 —
3/20/2007 $3 NL Hold'em 35 42 —

[Deuce2High]

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Scientific Method.
Assumption: The cheaters could actually see the hole cards.
Theory 1: Cheaters are a rogue group of hackers who somehow hacked into AP's servers and compromised hole card information
Theory 2: Cheaters actually work for AP and used "security" accounts or "super" accounts to view the hole cards

Prediction-Theory 1 If theory 1 is correct, the expected response from AP would be swift. The accounts would be closed, a press release issued to their customers detailing exactly what happened, and then a detailed response about how they will ensure this kind of security breach will never happen again.

Prediction-Theory 2: The response from AP would be slow, and perhaps non-existent. They would drag their feet while formulating an excuse, and perhaps release a few small PR's to judge public response-basically, what we're seeing right now.

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qft and well said these seem like the only two viable options to me as well at the moment.

whoever is doing this obviously is not covering up well and I believe can be caught.

[G_Becks]

So payup wins the $1000 buyin three days after steamroller.. definitely needs to be looked into