Two hands similar situations-river decisions

[jkamowitz]

1: I raise a billion limpers with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the button.

Maybe 6 way.

Flop comes A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Checks all the way to me and I bet naturally, mp is obvious and calls, so is lp who calls.

Turn is Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
checks to me I bet, mp c/raises, lp calls 2 cold, I call.

River is brick
mp bets, lp calls, and I?


Hand 2:
I limp after two loose passive's with A8o on the button in a late night game.

sb has been running like a Kenyan jamming draws and completes, bb checks.

Flop comes A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
sb bets, mp (Gene Michaels for those familiar) calls, I raise, sb 3-bets, mp calls, I cap they both call

Turn 6:diamonds:
They both check, I goof and check.

River 10o

sb bets, mp calls, I?

[BeakWetter]

Hand 1:
On rough math (depending on how many limpers =a billion) you only need to have the winner ~7% of the time here, but I don't think we are even ahead that often so I Fold.

Hand 2:
Turn is a bet, but you know that.
River is a call I think. Because your line is a little odd and you could easily have this one won... certainly enough of the time to warrant a call.

[nineinchal]

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1: I raise a billion limpers with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the button.

Maybe 6 way.


Flop comes A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Checks all the way to me and I bet naturally, mp is obvious and calls, so is lp who calls.

Turn is Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
checks to me I bet, mp c/raises, lp calls 2 cold, I call.

River is brick
mp bets, lp calls, and I?


Hand 2:
I limp after two loose passive's with A8o on the button in a late night game.

sb has been running like a Kenyan jamming draws and completes, bb checks.

Flop comes A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
sb bets, mp (Gene Michaels for those familiar) calls, I raise, sb 3-bets, mp calls, I cap they both call

Turn 6:diamonds:
They both check, I goof and check.

River 10o

sb bets, mp calls, I?

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Hand one, do you want to know the correct play, or the one where you fell for the old "King-Jack" trick or the old "Ace-10 offsuit" trick?

Hand two, do you want to know the correct play, or the one where you fell for the old "Ace-3 offsuit" or the "pocket 10's" trick?

Can't believe I feel for that twice in one weekend...

I miss those old "Get Smart" episodes. Anybody know where I can find them?

[Moneyball16]

These are both easy calls. Mp is gonna show up with worse trips more than enough in hand 1 and in hand two you gotta call the river after showing that much weakness on the turn.

[n.s.]

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These are both easy calls.

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Yep. In hand 1 the pot is just too big, and in hand 2 you under-represented your hand too badly on the turn.

[JacksonTens]

bin hand one, i dont like overcalling when you have no crub.

hand 2, urrg... put the money in there.

JT

[RobA]

These are tough, but I think you fold hand 1, and call hand 2.

The difference is the turn action. In hand 1 you forced the MP to define his hand on the turn. In hand 2 you check the turn, so its difficult to know what the oppositions river bet means.

Curious to see what others say...

[bovine_boat]

Hand 1: What's out there that you can beat? The turn raise raise and call make it very unlikely IMO that KK or KQ is still hanging around. Fold.

Hand 2: Unlike hand 1, there was no turn action, and the straight missed. If sb would have bet a flush on the turn, and mp would have raised a big A preflop, then you might try and be clever with a raise on the end figuring MP will call with a worse hand. So, uh, call. Like everyone else says.

[ssmallz]

Reads are key in hand 1 against some guys you can fold, others you can call. Its really tough for me to give you an obvious answer. If this is a typical borg 20/40 opponent, you can toss the river b/c he's got a flush/strait 100% of the time. If he's one of those spewy over aggro guys make the call

Hand 2: Must call b/c you checked the turn. There is a real chance that sb believes he's value betting a worse ace here.