Open-ended straight draw

Radford999 · #1 09-17-2007, 06:28 PM

Hi.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 (t9927)
CO (t15845)
Radford999 (t17826)
SB (t9966)
BB (t16137)
UTG (t14214)
UTG+1 (t14714)
MP1 (t10167)
MP2 (t24814)

Preflop: Radford999 is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
6 folds, Radford999 raises to t1022, SB calls t822, BB calls t622.

Flop: (t2666) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets t1200, BB folds, Radford999 raises to t4400, SB raises to t8919, Radford999 calls t4519.

Turn: (t20504) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t20504) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t20504

Results in white below: 
SB has Qd 4s (full house, fives full of queens).
Radford999 has Jh Ks (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: SB wins t20504. 

I have been aggressive throughout this tourney. The SB was pretty tight, but he was certainly capable of betting out on that flop with nothing. I'm not saying he's ultra tight or anything. He would call raises with nothing, and try and take the pot away on the flop regardless what was out there. Maybe i probably should have just call on the flop? But i had raised pre-flop, and decided to raise it to represent a big hand. If he pushes, then i have to call. It turned out that i wasn't that big of an underdog too.

What do you think? Chris.

erc007 · #2 09-17-2007, 06:52 PM

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Hi.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 (t9927)
CO (t15845)
Radford999 (t17826)
SB (t9966)
BB (t16137)
UTG (t14214)
UTG+1 (t14714)
MP1 (t10167)
MP2 (t24814)

Preflop: Radford999 is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
6 folds, Radford999 raises to t1022, SB calls t822, BB calls t622.

Flop: (t2666) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets t1200, BB folds, Radford999 raises to t4400, SB raises to t8919, Radford999 calls t4519.

Turn: (t20504) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t20504) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t20504

Results in white below: 
SB has Qd 4s (full house, fives full of queens).
Radford999 has Jh Ks (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: SB wins t20504. 

I have been aggressive throughout this tourney. The SB was pretty tight, but he was certainly capable of betting out on that flop with nothing. I'm not saying he's ultra tight or anything. He would call raises with nothing, and try and take the pot away on the flop regardless what was out there. Maybe i probably should have just call on the flop? But i had raised pre-flop, and decided to raise it to represent a big hand. If he pushes, then i have to call. It turned out that i wasn't that big of an underdog too.

What do you think? Chris.

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This is exactly how any respectable LAG would have played the hand [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

Radford999 · #3 09-17-2007, 07:00 PM

That's good [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Normally i would have just called here. But now i just think hey what the heck. If he calls, at least i have eight outs to make a straight. Just making sure if this is what any other aggressive player would do, or was it just me? Would you be willing to get him allin on this board and gamble?

hamnegger · #4 09-17-2007, 07:06 PM

i think you have to fold to his raise hes put in half a stack. he is NOT folding. you are taking the worst of it. the lead bet allows him to get you in a bad spot if you check call thats ok and i like a c-raise better bc it puts pressure on him if HE'S on the draw or can't beat a queen.

JARID · #5 09-17-2007, 07:24 PM

nh.

erc007 · #6 09-17-2007, 07:40 PM

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That's good [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Normally i would have just called here. But now i just think hey what the heck. If he calls, at least i have eight outs to make a straight. Just making sure if this is what any other aggressive player would do, or was it just me? Would you be willing to get him allin on this board and gamble?

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One of the advantages that good LAGs have...is that they are good at putting people to tough decisions. Although is is a std situation to semi-bluff your draw, you should be looking for opportunities to play aggressively when you think your opponent is reluctant to contribute any more chips. The one trait that separates good from really good LAGs is hand-reading. As your hand-reading skills progress, you will be able to find/capitalize on EV+ situations that other players won't see or exploit.

donquay · #7 09-17-2007, 11:02 PM

you said SB was "pretty tight"...but he flat called Q4o oop in a situation where his flatcall could very well invite BB to call as well...so he was ready to play 3 handed oop with Q4o...seems pretty loose to me.

Before this hand were your standard raises closer to 2.5x instead of 3x?

Anyways I like the flop r/r and once he jams, I don't fold it either.

PantsOnFire · #8 09-18-2007, 12:17 AM

Why raise the flop? You are getting fine odds on your draw if you call. And you don't have 8 clean outs to your straight with that flush draw on board.

You ended up putting in 8919 to win 11585. You need 44% equity. An OESD with one overcard has 42% equity against top pair with any kicker. Against a hand like TcXc, you're at around 29%. Against a two pair like QsTs, you're 32%. Against Axc, 30%. The only hand you are beating is two clubs that are not paired and even then it's close to a coin flip. Even against a stupid hand like Ad2s, you are still only 49%.

Your raise on the flop is only really going to pick off a stone cold bluff or a stupid donk bet. Both of these are not high percentage occurances.

I think you overplayed the hand. You got into an all-in confrontation when you were behind and with a decent stack to keep playing after this hand is over.