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#21
09-17-2007, 04:36 PM
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Re: Borgata $20/$40, Two Staking Opportunities
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[ QUOTE ] If you do choice number one when seated at the same table, that honestly sounds like collusion to me. Even if you didn't deliberately cheat, you are not going to care whether he or you wins a pot, and will prefer he wins to another player and may play accordingly, even if not intentionally. Even choice two would be a little sketchy if seated together at the same table. [/ QUOTE ] It's pretty disappointing that no one picked up on this. The viability of the games depends on their integrity. We lose that, the recreational players will go away (I know I will) and without us tourists, all you pros will have to beat up on each other. My advice: earn some money and stake yourself, get staked legitimately, or get a second job. [/ QUOTE ] Good point. I have never encountered collusion in any of the games at the Borgata. However, I detected this overt behavior in some games at the Taj. There is a loansharking ring that operates directly at the tables amongst the players. It makes for a seedy atmosphere and doubts about the integrity amongst the players. I also caught spectators behind the glass wall in the corridor flashing signals to players sitting across the table to those players with their backs to the glass; they were peeking at hole cards of players with their backs to the glass. I reported this to the floor. The took action that day, however, I still see people standing along the glass wall, so beware. 
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#22
09-17-2007, 05:25 PM
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Re: Borgata $20/$40, Two Staking Opportunities
"""Good point. I have never encountered collusion in any of the games at the Borgata. However, I detected this overt behavior in some games at the Taj. There is a loansharking ring that operates directly at the tables amongst the players. It makes for a seedy atmosphere and doubts about the integrity amongst the players. """
Uh, isn't this like ian from the borgata, at 80-160 bankrolling his group of broke degenerates.
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#23
09-17-2007, 05:30 PM
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Re: Borgata $20/$40, Two Staking Opportunities
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"""Good point. I have never encountered collusion in any of the games at the Borgata. However, I detected this overt behavior in some games at the Taj. There is a loansharking ring that operates directly at the tables amongst the players. It makes for a seedy atmosphere and doubts about the integrity amongst the players. """ Uh, isn't this like ian from the borgata, at 80-160 bankrolling his group of broke degenerates. [/ QUOTE ] I don't know Ian and the broke degenerates, although that's what I should have named my band. I never played at that level. However, I never witnessed this at any of the 10/20 and 20/40 games I played in at the Borg. I notice a much more pleasant crowd there, as well as much better looking waitresses, and much, much better drinks, from the water up through the booze.
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#24
09-17-2007, 05:31 PM
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Re: Borgata $20/$40, Two Staking Opportunities
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you do choice number one when seated at the same table, that honestly sounds like collusion to me. Even if you didn't deliberately cheat, you are not going to care whether he or you wins a pot, and will prefer he wins to another player and may play accordingly, even if not intentionally. Even choice two would be a little sketchy if seated together at the same table. [/ QUOTE ] It's pretty disappointing that no one picked up on this. The viability of the games depends on their integrity. We lose that, the recreational players will go away (I know I will) and without us tourists, all you pros will have to beat up on each other. My advice: earn some money and stake yourself, get staked legitimately, or get a second job. [/ QUOTE ] Good point. I have never encountered collusion in any of the games at the Borgata. However, I detected this overt behavior in some games at the Taj. There is a loansharking ring that operates directly at the tables amongst the players. It makes for a seedy atmosphere and doubts about the integrity amongst the players. I also caught spectators behind the glass wall in the corridor flashing signals to players sitting across the table to those players with their backs to the glass; they were peeking at hole cards of players with their backs to the glass. I reported this to the floor. The took action that day, however, I still see people standing along the glass wall, so beware. [/ QUOTE ] Casino Security has broken up cheating rings in certain poker rooms in Atlantic City. Once the Taj made it's way into the movie Rounders, everybody wants to play there. The same people believe that Las Vegas is the mecca of the poker universe. Even though everyone should consider California the true mecca.
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#25
09-17-2007, 06:08 PM
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Re: Borgata $20/$40, Two Staking Opportunities
Wait until you have a suitable bankroll to play the game or $1000 that you aren't too attached to and take a shot. My advice is not to enter into a staking agreement and play your own money at limits that you're financially and psychologically comfortable with.
Jeff
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#26
09-18-2007, 01:53 PM
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Re: Borgata $20/$40, Two Staking Opportunities
[/ QUOTE ]Casino Security has broken up cheating rings in certain poker rooms in Atlantic City. Once the Taj made it's way into the movie Rounders, everybody wants to play there. The same people believe that Las Vegas is the mecca of the poker universe. Even though everyone should consider California the true mecca. [/ QUOTE ] Mike, specifically how were they cheating? Any references? Thanks, nineinch
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#27
09-18-2007, 01:58 PM
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Re: Borgata $20/$40, Two Staking Opportunities
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[/ QUOTE ]Casino Security has broken up cheating rings in certain poker rooms in Atlantic City. Once the Taj made it's way into the movie Rounders, everybody wants to play there. The same people believe that Las Vegas is the mecca of the poker universe. Even though everyone should consider California the true mecca. [/ QUOTE ] Mike, specifically how were they cheating? Any references? Thanks, nineinch [/ QUOTE ] PM sent. I do not want to threadjack.
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#28
09-18-2007, 01:58 PM
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Even though everyone should consider California the true mecca. [/ QUOTE ] And the Commerce is the Kaaba?
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#29
09-18-2007, 02:09 PM
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Re: Borgata $20/$40, Two Staking Opportunities
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[ QUOTE ] Even though everyone should consider California the true mecca. [/ QUOTE ] And the Commerce is the Kaaba? [/ QUOTE ] I have to look it up in Google, hold on. Kabba-wiki
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#30
09-18-2007, 07:57 PM
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Re: Borgata $20/$40, Two Staking Opportunities
I am the friend who staked the OP. First of all, let me say that I am amazed that so many (allegedly) accomplished poker players cannot comprehend the value of being staked. The theory of "If you don't have the bankroll to play the 20/40 game, then you shouldn't be playing it" is ludicrous. OP is an excellent player that simply chooses not to keep a roll large enough to play 20/40. Does that in and of itself make him unable to have a considerable edge at the game? Absolutely not. In fact, if any of you would like to set up a private table online somewhere, I would feel quite good about staking him against any of you. The best players in the world have staking arrangements for various reasons, and to suggest it is a bad idea for OP to receive a stake in order to play a game that he normally wouldn't play is just dumb.
Also, allow me to second the notion that *TT* is a dick. You're a moderator for God's sake. Show some class with your responses. I'm aware that the best lay that you ever had either involved a sheep, blowup doll or a watermelon, and clearly your life experience hasn't allowed you to collect a great deal of self esteem, but try your best to act like something other than a complete tard. That is all.
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