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Old 09-17-2007, 01:15 PM
AshleyC AshleyC is offline
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Default Dude cannot fold - have nut straight, but river brings flush

Villan is playing 69/10/0.28 and obviously vacuuming all the table's chips. He limp calls raises with A2o etc and calls pot sized bets on all streets to river.


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BB ($85)
Hero ($150.05)
MP ($145.10)
CO ($132.75)
Button ($287.15)
SB ($146.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($8.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, Button calls $7.

Turn: ($22.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $22.5</font>, Button calls $22.50.

River: ($67.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>

How's the river value bet, fold to raise?
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Old 09-17-2007, 01:31 PM
Tito Tito is offline
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Default Re: Dude cannot fold - have nut straight, but river brings flush

Flop and turn both look good. Check river to induce a bluff and call anything but a push.
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Old 09-17-2007, 01:36 PM
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Default Re: Dude cannot fold - have nut straight, but river brings flush

I think I overbet river against this guy. There's a straight on the board.
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Old 09-17-2007, 01:39 PM
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Default Re: Dude cannot fold - have nut straight, but river brings flush

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I think I overbet river against this guy. There's a straight on the board.

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Old 09-17-2007, 01:52 PM
Tito Tito is offline
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Default Re: Dude cannot fold - have nut straight, but river brings flush

There's also a flush that just came in which it looks like villian has been chasing the whole way. What happens when you overbet the river and he pushes? Does he have the flush or the K high straight or is he playing the board? I don't think this was played badly as a value bet, but I can also justify inducing the bluff. I think overbetting would be the worst move as you still are left clueless as to what he is holding if he does push. Just my thoughts.
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Old 09-17-2007, 01:59 PM
AshleyC AshleyC is offline
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Default Re: Dude cannot fold - have nut straight, but river brings flush

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Flop and turn both look good. Check river to induce a bluff and call anything but a push.

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He's really not aggressive and so I don't think he bluffs the river.
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Old 09-17-2007, 02:00 PM
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Default Re: Dude cannot fold - have nut straight, but river brings flush

This guy is calling with anything. There's really no indication he's specifically on a flush draw. Checking river is losing value. B/F as played is a solid line IMHO.
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Old 09-17-2007, 02:05 PM
Hail Eris Hail Eris is offline
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Default Re: Dude cannot fold - have nut straight, but river brings flush

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There's also a flush that just came in which it looks like villian has been chasing the whole way. What happens when you overbet the river and he pushes? Does he have the flush or the K high straight or is he playing the board? I don't think this was played badly as a value bet, but I can also justify inducing the bluff. I think overbetting would be the worst move as you still are left clueless as to what he is holding if he does push. Just my thoughts.

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I think if we overbet this river and a calling station with a microscopic AF shoves on us, we can be pretty sure he's not rebluffing the board or valuetowning a King.

C/C river is terrible for the same reason.
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Old 09-17-2007, 02:22 PM
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Default Re: Dude cannot fold - have nut straight, but river brings flush

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This guy is calling with anything. There's really no indication he's specifically on a flush draw. Checking river is losing value. B/F as played is a solid line IMHO.

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Old 09-17-2007, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: Dude cannot fold - have nut straight, but river brings flush

I'd bet smaller on the flop. Turn looks good. bet fold river.
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