question of bet sizing

[crunchh]

hi, first of all sorry for not using Hand converter doesn t seem to work with william hill. must be like 20hand into the tourney no read on any player it is a 2£ tourney so don t expect expert play from my side


to sumarise I have JJ, players are loose inagressive PF up to know but no real read

3 limpers way too much for my hand, i decide to raise 8BB to clear the field and if i get only the blinds I don t care it is the very early stage

It is a disaster, 5 callers...
hopefully great flop a Jack but nearly as many draws as there can be

I want to bet but how much 1/2, 3/4, pot, all in
I wonder if I should suck some draw in and punish them on turn, shut the action with all in (even if some good draw might call)


whats is the best EV bet in your opinion, it is maybe very standart but I still wonder
Game #5574542474: Tourney (ID5522988) £2+£0.25 - Hold'em NL (10/20) - 2007/09/16 - 23:38:12 (UK)

Table "5522988 - 4" Seat 8 is the button.

Seat 1: (1570 in chips)
Seat 2: (580 in chips)
Seat 3: (1800 in chips)
Seat 4: hero (1740 in chips)
Seat 5: (3640 in chips)
Seat 6: (1360 in chips)
Seat 7: (1200 in chips)
Seat 8: (1470 in chips)
Seat 9: (1440 in chips)
Seat 10: (1400 in chips)

9: posts small blind 10

10: posts big blind 20

----- HOLE CARDS -----

dealt to Crunchh [Jh Jd]

1: calls 20
2: calls 20
3: calls 20
hero: raises to 160
5: calls 160
6: calls 160
7: folds
8: folds
9: folds
10: calls 140
1: folds
2: calls 140
3: calls 140

----- FLOP ----- [Js Td 5s]

Jammuss: checks
Queenjak: checks
Boneslfc: checks

hero bets but how much??? pots around 1000

[donquay]

I think I'd shove it...because minimum I'd bet is psb or nearly psb...and if someone's on a FD for example I think at these stakes if they'll call a psb, they'll call the shove too. Heck even if they just have the T, they might call a shove just because they don't want to be bluffed and don't like "being bullied".

Even if you don't get called, it's already a nice sized pot early on. Sucks not to get more chips after flopping top set if you don't get called...eh maybe just pot it and shove any turn (turn bet won't be that big though). Nah, I'd shove, kq might come along as well as FD even against pot overbet. It's a $2 donkament, overbet MUST be a bluff so some villain will want to be sheriff.

[crunchh]

thx, really have pb for bet sizing went for 3/4 of pot

every body agrees ?

[benneh]

yea, shove. there's no sense putting in a PSB of like 900 only to stick in your 300 on the turn. just get it in now, you'll get called by bad hands.

[hamnegger]

bet 700 now rest on turn. value bet. i want to have my opponents call taking much the worst of it....not drive them away.is they suk out im ok with that.

[crunchh]

thx for all the answers
now if I may I would like to post a follow up question

well I bet around 700-800 , lots fold and BB reraise me all in, he turns KQo

result of hand irrelevant but at first I though the guy was a complete dumb, I am betting on 5 players but thinking again I can see some logic in his play, if I am on a steal he wins let say 15%-20% time
if I have a great hand he is still 30-20% not so bad
(although i would prefer to have aks to do that

if I have AJ or even an over pair I am facing a not so easy call (he clearly represent trips or a premium draw)
so maybe I fold an additional 20% of time and the play may be

what do you think