AK - please teach me when to fold

[jjb108]

You're out of position and pretty deep. With 100 bb stacks and FD possible, this is OK. Otherwise, you're not looking to play a big pot with AK here, especially OOP. Slow down on the flop...once you are 3-betting its a slippery slope to way too many bb's in with the worst of it.

Call the reraise on the flop and reeval the turn.

Range for villain here is Ac8c, 7c8c, 8c9c, AA, KK, 88, 33, AcXc...maybe sooted Kx but thats a reach.

[jmgambler]

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I am a HUGE loser with AK suited and offsuit, is there some formula you guys use to know when to let it go, I'm good about getting away from it when it doesnt hit, but when it does on a good board, how can i?


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mmmm Huge?, Then your doing something wrong?.... AK/AKs should be in the <font color="green">green</font> on your PT in just CBets alone...

Looking at this HH, There IS a point you can getaway here, I hate felting AK on a K high flop/board as most times you are toast, what is gonna stack off here against you KQs? as opposed to an A high board where AQ/AQs will/may give you action.

I am out when he shoves, Yes we have to raise here to protect against a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] draw, but I just cant see Mr "Limp/calls Pf alot" stacking off with KQ/KJ against a PF raiser who has already mini-raised him

[Parvex]

Call his initial raise, fold to his push.

He might raise us with a club draw the first time, but the club in our hand gives us the nut redraw gives us a little less reason to protectr our hand by 3betting. That said, I'm also calling without the club, just based on the fact that it's highly unlikely, that a 3bet will get called by a hand we beat.

And your 3bet is def. too small. Your not protecting your hand (a flushdraw gets the odds to call) und you put your self up to a difficult decision. If you raise bigger, you take that decision away from you because the pot odds might dictate you a call (or the strength of your raise may kill all worries he might attack our weakness).

[deadmanspoker]

I think baluga applies here.

Careful with the turn raise, he wont be doing this with KJ often.

[Edukashun]

We can discount Acxc as we have the Ac that leaves us with 7c8c, 8c9c, AA, KK, 88 and 33 once he pushes.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

11,880 games 0.040 secs 297,000 games/sec

Board: Kc 3c 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 84.394% 84.39% 00.00% 10026 0.00 { KK+, 88, 33, 9c8c, 8c7c }
Hand 1: 15.606% 15.61% 00.00% 1854 0.00 { AcKs }



That doesn't really leave us in very good shape so we've gotta fold.

What do you think his range is when he RR?

Does KK+,88,33,AKs,KQs,9c8c,8c7c,6c5c (to represent all the FDs),32s (bluffs),AKo,KQo seem right?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

29,700 games 0.005 secs 5,940,000 games/sec

Board: Kc 3c 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.779% 40.15% 09.63% 11924 2860.50 { KK+, 88, 33, AKs, KQs, 9c8c, 8c7c, 6c5c, 32s, AKo, KQo }
Hand 1: 50.221% 40.59% 09.63% 12055 2860.50 { AcKs }



This would make the equity marginal but with the $ already in the pot an easy call rather than 3bet.

I'm just starting to use pokerstove when looking back over hands so please tell me if these ranges are right/wrong.

Then on the turn do we bet a blank or check for pot control?

I suspose we c/f a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] turn or would this be too weak?

[Waingro]

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If you are gonna 3 bet flop, make it a real 3bet (like $25ish).

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After the flop 3bet we have put in 44% (aka comitted no matter what falls ont the turn) of our stack, I can´t see any reason why $25 would make any difference, unless you think it would change villains range for pushing in a way favorable to our hand.

[mookboi]

Because 8 more in a pot of 29 or so, he's got awesome odds for a flush draw.

I said if you are gonna 3bet flop. I would just flat call normally &amp; reevaluate turn.

However, since we decided to go for a 3bet, I think making it bigger is the way to go.

EDIT: Yes, making it 25 commits us. There is no way I'm getting away from it once I make it 25. However, I think 25 &gt; shoving, simply because villain is more likely to call 17 more than his whole stack. After betting 25, I'm getting it in on turn.

[Lego05]

C-bet should be bigger. After his raise this is read dependent, but 1 thing for sure if you're gonna 3bet it needs to be a whole bunch bigger.

[munkey]

call flop raise lead turn.

vs Ax/fdraws this maximises our equity vs his range and allows us to get out via baluga turn vs bigger made hands.
Tread carefully with AK multiway OOP.

I think this is vs a set maybe 2pair here.

BTW I do this with sets/2pair/draws as well as tps -so villan can't really read my hand strength from my line.