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stabn · #**111** 09-16-2007, 12:41 PM

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Nice to see NBC do an "inside-information" piece on Phold at the beginning of the telecast. According to Phold he was hitting the ball better than anyone else, but Phold figured he'd finish second in the FedEx Cup because he would win but Tiger would finish second.

Good to see him back up his words with an even par 70. Hey, he's just that good.

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LOL "Phold." dude did I ever mention how clever you are with that. it's just so FRESH, too.

also, T4 in driving accuracy and T3 in total driving, so he actually is hitting the ball pretty darn well. If only he didn't putt like a blind man today and thursday he'd have shot 59 both days. it's as simple as that, really.

also, you're still such a flaming [censored].

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yeah i totally agree, he would've shot a 59 if it weren't for some bad putting. i love you euro.

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When euro says stuff like this about phil he's poking fun at you tiger guys that mean it when you say it about tiger. That's the difference and why euro is funny and you aren't.

black knight · #**112** 09-16-2007, 01:07 PM

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I did not see the alleged break of rules, nor do I want to, don't care at all. But even if you are making a swing for the ball intending to hit the ball you are allowed to stop that swing without it counting as a stroke if you stop your swing before the clubhead passes the ball. If Woody stopped his swing before the clubhead passed the ball it is no stroke, no discussion at all, no question if he intended to hit the ball or not that would have nothing to do with the rules of golf, only if the clubhead passes the ball or not. If the clubhead passes the ball it is a stroke if the player intended to hit the ball. If he did not and hit the ball anyway it would not be a stroke and the ball has to be replaced, but a penalty would be incurred for moving the ball when at rest.

Read the rules, make up your own mind, but please consider that there are people watching this that have more than 30+ years of experience with the rules of golf more than you and I that are handling this. Apparently as Woody has not been DQ'ed, he shouldn't be.

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I've had >15yrs experience, and I say it was a whiff...he's done the exact same move as we allege he TRIED to do on previous holes...not once stopping the putter, and it is quite clear that he tried to do it again and missed.

Butcho22 · #**113** 09-16-2007, 01:46 PM

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I did not see the alleged break of rules, nor do I want to, don't care at all. But even if you are making a swing for the ball intending to hit the ball you are allowed to stop that swing without it counting as a stroke if you stop your swing before the clubhead passes the ball. If Woody stopped his swing before the clubhead passed the ball it is no stroke, no discussion at all, no question if he intended to hit the ball or not that would have nothing to do with the rules of golf, only if the clubhead passes the ball or not. If the clubhead passes the ball it is a stroke if the player intended to hit the ball. If he did not and hit the ball anyway it would not be a stroke and the ball has to be replaced, but a penalty would be incurred for moving the ball when at rest.

Read the rules, make up your own mind, but please consider that there are people watching this that have more than 30+ years of experience with the rules of golf more than you and I that are handling this. Apparently as Woody has not been DQ'ed, he shouldn't be.

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There is a difference between stopping a swing yourself, and having the ground stop your swing for you.

BigSoonerFan · #**114** 09-16-2007, 02:10 PM

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I did not see the alleged break of rules, nor do I want to, don't care at all. But even if you are making a swing for the ball intending to hit the ball you are allowed to stop that swing without it counting as a stroke if you stop your swing before the clubhead passes the ball. If Woody stopped his swing before the clubhead passed the ball it is no stroke, no discussion at all, no question if he intended to hit the ball or not that would have nothing to do with the rules of golf, only if the clubhead passes the ball or not. If the clubhead passes the ball it is a stroke if the player intended to hit the ball. If he did not and hit the ball anyway it would not be a stroke and the ball has to be replaced, but a penalty would be incurred for moving the ball when at rest.

Read the rules, make up your own mind, but please consider that there are people watching this that have more than 30+ years of experience with the rules of golf more than you and I that are handling this. Apparently as Woody has not been DQ'ed, he shouldn't be.

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There is a difference between stopping a swing yourself, and having the ground stop your swing for you.

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That's how I was going to respond as well.

Thirty years of experience with rules has nothing to do with this. It's all about Woody's intent. Woody swung his club down towards the ball and the only thing that stopped it from hitting the ball was the ground. He stubbed it. There was no attempt at deceleration or stopping.

thedarknight · #**115** 09-16-2007, 02:17 PM

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Nice to see NBC do an "inside-information" piece on Phold at the beginning of the telecast. According to Phold he was hitting the ball better than anyone else, but Phold figured he'd finish second in the FedEx Cup because he would win but Tiger would finish second.

Good to see him back up his words with an even par 70. Hey, he's just that good.

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LOL "Phold." dude did I ever mention how clever you are with that. it's just so FRESH, too.

also, T4 in driving accuracy and T3 in total driving, so he actually is hitting the ball pretty darn well. If only he didn't putt like a blind man today and thursday he'd have shot 59 both days. it's as simple as that, really.

also, you're still such a flaming [censored].

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yeah i totally agree, he would've shot a 59 if it weren't for some bad putting. i love you euro.

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When euro says stuff like this about phil he's poking fun at you tiger guys that mean it when you say it about tiger. That's the difference and why euro is funny and you aren't.

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i don't really see anything that's funny, are you part of the euro bandwagon too? I'm not even trying to be funny, I'm being sarcastic.

ntnBO · #**116** 09-16-2007, 02:19 PM

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I've had >15yrs experience, and I say it was a whiff...he's done the exact same move as we allege he TRIED to do on previous holes...not once stopping the putter, and it is quite clear that he tried to do it again and missed.

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And your opinion counts for squat. Even a tour official who has 50 years experience opinion counts for squat. In this instance, there is only one person whose opinion counts, and that is Woody.

If you guys have so much experience, you would know that this is all about honor, and if Woody says there was no intent, then that's that. The end.

Hey, it looked like the intent was there to me as well. But I have the sense to know that my opinion doesn't mean anything either.

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Butcho22 · #**117** 09-16-2007, 02:39 PM

BO,

Plz stfu about how every golfer on the planet is a saint and would call a penalty on himself 100% of the time.

Woody is an inbred downie, and if anyone would lie about this I would expect him to be the one.

BigSoonerFan · #**118** 09-16-2007, 02:56 PM

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Plz stfu about how every golfer on the planet is a saint and would call a penalty on himself 100% of the time.

Woody is an inbred downie, and if anyone would lie about this I would expect him to be the one.

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I'm not going to comment on Woody's background, but there are some people in this world who can easily convince themselves that they didn't do something like this (although they really did) and will vehemently defend themselves when confronted.

BigSoonerFan · #**119** 09-16-2007, 02:59 PM

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I missed this, so had to look it up. For others who missed it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gifW57c6X34

I think it's close enough that if Woody says it wasn't a stroke, I'm going to believe him.

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You should watch it at full speed. The slow motion gives the impression that he could've been placing the club behind the ball tap it in. At full speed it looks conclusive to me (that he swung at it).

Butcho22 · #**120** 09-16-2007, 03:04 PM

BO,

Let me apologize for coming off a bit harsh. But you're acting like nobody has ever cheated in the history of this game. Like everyone calls every single penalty no matter what.

There are dozens of examples of cheating in the past...so for you to just say, "he's a golfer, we must trust him"... that doesn't fly for me.