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Re: Fourflush on the river with TPGK
Villain is BB with stats 100/21/0.79 over 28 hands. Very lose preflop but after that he goes very passive and just calls down any pair and sometimes even A-high. I didn't see him raising postflop so far.
Titan Limit Hold'em, $0.50/$1.00 (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief) Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls, Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( 6.5SB, 3 players ) BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( 4.25BB ) BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( 6.25BB ) BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls, All standard, except for the river. That card completed a flush draw and there was also a possibility for a slow-played straight on the turn. Anyway I didn't check behind because it wasn't necessary that I was beat. Based on my reads so far he could also have had a weaker pair (saw him a couple of times already), thus I didn't want to miss a potential value bet. When he raised I knew I was beat. So easy fold. Yet I made a crying call because I only need to catch him bluffing 10% of the time to justify it. Sometimes it happens... Now check the results (in white): <font color="white">Hero has Qh, Qd BB has Qs, 9h Outcome: Hero wins 9.6BB</font> [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] |
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Re: Fourflush on the river with TPGK
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Villain is BB with stats 100/21/0.79 over 28 hands. Very lose preflop but after that he goes very passive and just calls down any pair and sometimes even A-high. I didn't see him raising postflop so far. Titan Limit Hold'em, $0.50/$1.00 (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief) Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls, Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( 6.5SB, 3 players ) BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( 4.25BB ) BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( 6.25BB ) BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls, All standard, except for the river. That card completed a flush draw and there was also a possibility for a slow-played straight on the turn. Anyway I didn't check behind because it wasn't necessary that I was beat. Based on my reads so far he could also have had a weaker pair (saw him a couple of times already), thus I didn't want to miss a potential value bet. When he raised I knew I was beat. So easy fold. Yet I made a crying call because I only need to catch him bluffing 10% of the time to justify it. Sometimes it happens... Now check the results (in white): <font color="white">Hero has Qh, Qd BB has Qs, 9h Outcome: Hero wins 9.6BB</font> [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] nice play and like the thought behind it. |
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Re: Fourflush on the river with TPGK
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No, no and no. We don't have a read here. 22 hands is nothing and AF converges much slower than some other stats. I call this river against the unknown. I expect to lose to a flush of course, but sometimes people surprise you. IMO they bluff more often than just ~12% of the time here. I have seen this before often enough to think that we can't really be at least 88% sure we're beat. And take a note if you catch him bluffing or betting a low flush. [/ QUOTE ] If the pot would have been 10BB at the river, where I arbitrarily put the calling cutoff-point, I would have called. Since the difference between 12% and 10% is not that large. I think we have to call. Besides would he bet here if he had the flush, he would check-raise, right? |
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Re: Fourflush on the river with TPGK
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Besides would he bet here if he had the flush, he would check-raise, right? [/ QUOTE ] Not necessarily. It's actually player dependent. Some straightforward bad players who only play their cards bet it right away ("wow, I have a flush!"), while some other bad players think they are smart if they play tricky poker and try to c/r you at every opportunity, even though they risk a check behind by a solid opponent (they don't even think about it of course). It's hard to say without any reads. Players of both types exist. |
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Re: Fourflush on the river with TPGK
"Besides would he bet here if he had the flush, he would check-raise, right? "
no because they don't want non-flushes to check behind |
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Re: Fourflush on the river with TPGK
Does everyone hate a check behind on this river? There are a lot of worse hands that are calling but FDs and SDs must be a huge part of vils range and Im not sure I would risk 2 BB to find out.
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Re: Fourflush on the river with TPGK
i'd check behind
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Re: Fourflush on the river with TPGK
Miles, what do you do with the hand as played?
I'm still not convinced this is an easy call. |
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Re: Fourflush on the river with TPGK
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Does everyone hate a check behind on this river? There are a lot of worse hands that are calling but FDs and SDs must be a huge part of vils range and Im not sure I would risk 2 BB to find out. [/ QUOTE ] Are you talking about my hand here? In general I agree and a lot of times I check behind too, but in this case my river bet was based on a pretty good read - I had seen this Villain calling down with a weak holding (like 3PNK) at least three times before and that's why I decided to bet. |
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Re: Fourflush on the river with TPGK
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I'm still not convinced this is an easy call. [/ QUOTE ] And it's not, indeed. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] |
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