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Old 09-14-2007, 03:35 PM
maddis maddis is offline
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Default 22$ MTT - AK played too fast?

villain seemed decent. did I play AK too fast here? My thought was that I wanted to avoid situations where I have AK high at the flop and have to fold to his bet. did I miss value here from this premium hand?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t64178)
UTG (t42814)
MP1 (t29395)
MP2 (t90102)
Hero (t42644)
Button (t69718)
SB (t29190)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t4950</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t42644</font>
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Old 09-14-2007, 04:55 PM
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Default Re: 22$ MTT - AK played too fast?

looks good for me

with blinds (and antes 75?) there is about 8k in the pot so a reraise not shoving will commit you anyway.

another possibility would be to call with position and reorientate on the flop, but as you can win 20% of your stack immediately i prefer pushing here.
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:40 PM
the alex the alex is offline
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Default Re: 22$ MTT - AK played too fast?

Calling isn't bad in position, but I prefer shoving.

An option that's not bad against a decent player is to call and shove any CB. Not something I do much. I really don't like it all that much, but it's an option. I still prefer shoving.
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Old 09-14-2007, 06:54 PM
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Default Re: 22$ MTT - AK played too fast?

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villain seemed decent. did I play AK too fast here? My thought was that I wanted to avoid situations where I have AK high at the flop and have to fold to his bet. did I miss value here from this premium hand?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t64178)
UTG (t42814)
MP1 (t29395)
MP2 (t90102)
Hero (t42644)
Button (t69718)
SB (t29190)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t4950</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t42644</font>

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Shoving 26 BBs makes it pretty easy for MP2 to play almost perfectly against you - do u see why? If you are scared to play AK postflop, it's better to RR to 15000/call shove, or get it in on any flop. A lot of the value in AK comes from the ability to semi-bluff preflop. You negate this "value" when u overbet the pot it b/c it narrows your range too much.
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Old 09-15-2007, 04:47 AM
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Default Re: 22$ MTT - AK played too fast?

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A lot of the value in AK comes from the ability to semi-bluff preflop. You negate this "value" when u overbet the pot it b/c it narrows your range too much.

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That is quite right, but doesn't matter imo.
Much more important is, that beside the FE about half the value (2/5 to be accurate) of AK comes from seeing all 5 cards after the flop, where your chance to improve is 45%.
On the flop you will improve only in 30% and will have to fold to a bet from OR. So as long as the pot is worth winning (and here it is) i will shove AK.
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