So we know he has nothing, but will he fold it? (NL50)

CalledDownLight · #1 09-14-2007, 04:22 PM

Original raiser is tolushev lol. He never has a hand here ever so we don't have to worry about a trap at all. Pretty sure this guy has air/mid pair like 90+%. Sometimes a draw and no idea if he felts that. Obviously folding to a shove, but he probably wouldn't think he has any FE. He's like 22/3 in less than 40 hands so take that for what its worth.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($10.75)
Hero ($50.45)
BB ($47.95)
UTG ($23.95)
UTG+1 ($50.15)
MP1 ($121)
MP2 ($50.70)
MP3 ($64.80)
CO ($40.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to $2, MP2 calls $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, Hero calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($8.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $5, Button folds, Hero raises to $20

thoughts?

seki · #2 09-14-2007, 04:45 PM

Why do you assume he has nothing, exactly? Obviously if you know he has nothing, this is normal. Does MP1 ever c/r?

CalledDownLight · #3 09-14-2007, 04:48 PM

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Why do you assume he has nothing, exactly? Obviously if you know he has nothing, this is normal. Does MP1 ever c/r?

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By nothing I mean he doesn't have a 6 and only sometimes has a Q. He definitely has a midpair a lot of the time and should fold that for the most part. Maybe he even folds some queens, but I really doubt it since I'm not repping a ton of hands here.

oakrdrzfan · #4 09-14-2007, 05:02 PM

I don't like it for the following reasons.

The flop started 5 way. MP2 could very easily have a good hand if MP1 doesnt

you have pure air. Possibly do this with at least a draw to something

If MP1 calls then MP2 may call or push with flush draw

You are not heads up.

PokerFun007 · #5 09-14-2007, 05:12 PM

I think the key here is the number of opponents as oakrdrzfan said. To me, this outweighs all other issues to the point that I'd never make this move unless heads up.

Specialwon · #6 09-14-2007, 05:50 PM

I wouldnt like it even if you were heads up. This is exactly how my last downswing started, banging my head against players like this who just will not fold.

Why can't you wait until you have aces? Or save this move for NL100+ where they might actually take your threat seriously.

HAL PHIPA · #7 09-14-2007, 07:04 PM

Why can he not have a six? Idk this player, but you are saying he never CC 67s ect.? I like the general aggression and you will get folds a lot here but prob not enough to make up for the times he flat calls your raise and you get pissed and tilt shove the turn, he calls, and then you lose 5 buyins wondering how he CC 63s preflop?!

coordi · #8 09-14-2007, 07:09 PM

straight bluffing a 5 way pot against assumed bad opponents probly isn't profitable.

CalledDownLight · #9 09-14-2007, 11:56 PM

Its 4 ways, but I know thats not too much different. HALPHIPA, he can obv have a random six, but wouldn't you basically make the same bet every time this flop checks around to you especially since the pfr always has air?