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Old 09-14-2007, 02:55 AM
Bob T. Bob T. is offline
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Default T2 suited.

Live 8-16. A hand I watched.

Reasonable playing LP open raises. Loose button calls. SB calls, and the BB completes with T2 of clubs.

Flop T64 with one club. SB checks, BB checks, LP bets, button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn, 3 of clubs, BB bets, LP calls, button folds.

River K of hearts, BB bets, LP raises, BBs Action?
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:20 AM
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Default Re: T2 suited.

A dozen views, and no responses. This is clearly a tough spot. Take a guess, and don't worry, any play here might be wrong.
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:27 AM
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Default Re: T2 suited.

since you haven't provided any reads i'm just going to assume the villain is unknown. 10.5bb in the pot, unknown villain, i'd call since this is a great card for him to bluff on.
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:27 AM
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Default Re: T2 suited.

I would donk the flop.

As played fold.
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:29 AM
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Default Re: T2 suited.

i would raise flop.
lead-callturn
cry call river.
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Old 09-14-2007, 06:48 AM
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Default Re: T2 suited.

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A dozen views, and no responses. This is clearly a tough spot. Take a guess, and don't worry, any play here might be wrong.

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I'll try: I call the river, but that could be a bad habit of mine. +I would bet out on the flop.

Edit: What do you people think of a check-call here?
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Old 09-14-2007, 07:09 AM
StrictlyStrategy StrictlyStrategy is offline
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Default Re: T2 suited.

I think check calling the river is bad.

Why?
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Old 09-14-2007, 07:23 AM
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Default Re: T2 suited.

Probably because we miss value if our hand is best. And it costs the same amount of money if our hand is not best, compared to a b/f on the river. But I don't know b/f is the line we should compare to.
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Old 09-14-2007, 07:27 AM
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Default Re: T2 suited.

You're not seeing many river bluff-raises. Not for something like just a King. Not 10%, or near it anyways.
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:14 AM
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Default Re: T2 suited.

I don't think a check/call on the river is all that bad. Look at how hero played so far: he called the flop and donked the turn (which brought a flush draw). Villain is to be suspecting hero was semi-bluffing and "giving up" a good portion of the time and may try to "steal" the pot with AJ/AQ or some total cheese (he openraised), or make a misguided value bet with a lower PP. OTOH, you get value from the A-high hands he calls with when he gets suspicious.

Generally when I hate flopping these kinds of hands 4-way because the pot's in that ugly halfway zone between obvious showdown and implied odds payoff.
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