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09-12-2007, 03:58 PM
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Harrington on Hold\'em VII
i have a question about a comment that he makes that confused me, if you read the book or have the book page 240-241 problem 10-1. On page 241 it says that the BB didnt make any errors since it was possible that he had the best hand. However he only had an M of 2.4 so wouldnt the proper play be to go all-in with his hand anyway. once BB calls your bet isnt he pretty much commited to the pot anyhow? so what i dont understand is, why does harrington say is the BB didnt make a mistake.
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#4
09-12-2007, 11:21 PM
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Re: Harrington on Hold\'em VII
ok for those that havent unpacked yet. or those that havent ordered the advance copies up to XX here is problem 10-1
A-1360 B-2180 C-780 D-3520 (you) E-660 SB-1280 BB-220 SB and player B are very aggressive. Blinds 30/60 You hold A,9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A folds B calls C folds Action to you pot is now 150 Fold, call, or raise? You raise to 120 Button fold both blinds bet (here is were I have a problem, if BB has 220 wouldn’t the correct bet be all-in?) Pot is now 480 Flop 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] SB checks, BB goes all-in( I understand why he goes all-in however from what I read it should have been pre-flop) You call Just BB and you, BB shows KQ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4th street 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5th 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Then Harrington say’s “The big blind didn’t make an error, since there was some chance his hand was good at that point” To me it seems like the BB played poor pre-flop and after the flop yes, he could have had the best hand but, he didn’t take into account the hands that had him beat after flop but at that point it seems he was already pot committed which brings us back to the pre-flop play. So my question is how was this a good play for BB
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#5
09-13-2007, 01:26 AM
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Re: Harrington on Hold\'em VII
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Button fold both blinds bet (here is were I have a problem, if BB has 220 wouldn’t the correct bet be all-in?) [/ QUOTE ] you mean both blinds call? When you ask "wouldn't the correct bet be all-in" you are referring to the play of the BB right? Not of 'you'? I'm assuming the 220 chips the BB has is before he pays the BB, correct? So after he pays the blind he has 140 chips. With KQs that seems like a pot commitment to me. An all in preflop is probably the best move. The all in may force out player B who called in early position. Flat call and shoving on any flop also works. May get someone to fold ace high if they are next to act after you. Or someone with 53 calls and then A2 folds. It's really not a big difference when the BB puts in the chips. No one with any decent hand is folding on flop or preflop for 140 chips.
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#6
09-13-2007, 02:56 AM
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Re: Harrington on Hold\'em VII
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You must have an advance copy. I'm still waiting for IV, V and VI. Sorry, couldn't resist. [/ QUOTE ] Did you not enjoy volume VI ? I don't know how the man finds so much to write about. He is a god. Seriously, I agree with the above poster about about posting the problem. I have lent my HoH books to friends so can't look it up just now. (sorry can now see you have - let me think) I would just add that volumes I and II to me are the best books around. III is worth it. But wow volume VII ???
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#7
09-13-2007, 03:09 AM
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Re: Harrington on Hold\'em VII
Kinda reminds me of spinal tap...
NIGEL: ...the numbers all go to eleven. Look...right across the board. MARTY: Ahh...oh, I see.... NIGEL: Eleven...eleven...eleven.... MARTY: ...and most of these amps go up to ten.... NIGEL: Exactly. MARTY: Does that mean it's...louder? Is it any louder? NIGEL: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most...most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here...all the way up...all the way up.... MARTY: Yeah.... NIGEL: ...all the way up. You're on ten on your guitar...where can you go from there? Where? MARTY: I don't know.... NIGEL: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is if we need that extra...push over the cliff...you know what we do? MARTY: Put it up to eleven. NIGEL: Eleven. Exactly. One louder. MARTY: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top... number...and make that a little louder? NIGEL: ...these go to eleven.
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#8
09-13-2007, 06:19 AM
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Re: Harrington on Hold\'em VII
I agree the BB should go all in and hope he gets just 1 caller. Heads up at that point leaves good chance of winning.
Having said the above you have choice to listen to me or Dan Harrington, multi-millionaire, pro player and author of what I consider to be the best poker books ever written. A man who made the final table 2-years running at the WSOP ME and bracelet winner. I know what you’re thinking - that old codger Action Dan has had his day, Rek is where its at now.
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#10
09-13-2007, 09:54 AM
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Re: Harrington on Hold\'em VII
LOL@ Grumpy!!
I think BB here figures an all-in push would be auto-called pre-flop but might get some fold equity on a low flop since he merely called out of the BB? Seems bad though...with an M that low, I'm shoving K-Q. The only time I MIGHT consider folding is if original raiser was UTG...and even then I think it's still a push.
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