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bad hand with QQ
ok so I screwed this up big time.
PartyPoker $100 NL Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> HandRecorder v0.9b Stacks & Stats BB ($40.84) MP ($131.79) SB ($99) BU ($98) (21/16/3.00/26) (792h) UTG ($56.77) Hero ($200.86) Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#FF0000">MP raises to $4</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="#FF0000">BU raises to $35</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $23. Flop: ($75.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, BU checks. Turn: ($75.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">BU bets $22</font>, Hero calls $22. River: ($119.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">BU bets $41 (all-in)</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: $160.50. |
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Re: bad hand with QQ
Folding river getting those odds is gross. Either fold turn or call river, and I don't see how you can fold turn cause lol you have a full house.
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Re: bad hand with QQ
yeah, decision is supposed to be made on the turn.. I really don't think I'm ahead.. he is 21/16/3, don't think he would make such a weak bet if he wanted me to fold.. Screams strength. AK or AA.
I'm thinking I should have folded turn? as played though; I actually don't think I'm ahead 20% here. would he bet with anything I beat on both turn and river when he knows I'm getting sick odds to call? |
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Re: bad hand with QQ
Against this player im pushing pre...As played call river... why did u call turn if you are folding river? lead out on turn and call a push
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Re: bad hand with QQ
Pre-flop is bad.
Either fold or shove there. |
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Re: bad hand with QQ
goofy, i generally agree i wouldn't call the turn if i was folding the river. but after thinking about it some more, i dont really understand why its so bad.
i) you think villain ever bluffs the river in a 4bet pot , knowing you are getting sick odds after you have called the turn? i personally think no. ii) do you think villain ever value bets worse hands? i personally think not aswell. if you agree he never bluffs and never value bets worse, i dont see how calling turn and folding river is gross, even with these odds. since the odds aren't good enough if you are right 0% of the time. but in the heat of the session i just shove the turn FOR VALUE, and hope he spite calls with some lower pairs like JJ or something. |
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Re: bad hand with QQ
I usually either push or fold here preflop. Any reads? Those PAhud stats dont really mean anything over 26 hands. (except hint that he could be a decent TAG)
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Re: bad hand with QQ
[ QUOTE ]
I usually either push or fold here preflop. Any reads? Those PAhud stats dont really mean anything over 26 hands. (except hint that he could be a decent TAG) [/ QUOTE ] 700hands, so the stats are pretty reliable. So calling a 4bet is never ok here? I'm felting a non A/K flop. |
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Re: bad hand with QQ
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[ QUOTE ] I usually either push or fold here preflop. Any reads? Those PAhud stats dont really mean anything over 26 hands. (except hint that he could be a decent TAG) [/ QUOTE ] 700hands, so the stats are pretty reliable. So calling a 4bet is never ok here? I'm felting a non A/K flop. [/ QUOTE ] 700 hands eh? Seems like a decent TAG. Whats the 26 for? Have you been 3-betting much lately? Lets make a few assumptions about your opponents 4-betting range. I'd assume he has AA/KK about 40% of the time, AK about 40% of the time, JJ about 10% of the time, QQ about 3% of the time, and some random junk the other 7%. Lets also assume he will call your push if you push preflop. 40% of the time you will be flipping AK w/ an EV of about +$10 40% of the time you will be way behind AA/KK w/ an EV of about -$64 20% of the time you will be way ahead of JJ or some other random hand giving you an EV of about +$64 So your net EV against his range of hands is .4(10) + .4(-64) +.2(+64) = -$8.80 Looking at your pot odds (assuming he'll call a push), you have about 1.35 to 1 When you combine this info w/ the fact that he will sometimes fold his JJ/other junk hands, this becomes a fold PF. If you have been 3-betting relentlessly or if villain has shown some LAG-tard tendencies i lean toward a push. |
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Re: bad hand with QQ
and a call is awful?
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