what do you think when a female gets moved to your table?

[Hotel Detect]

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then again, someone saying just because that there are not an even amount of women winning tournaments as men do, that it MUST be because all women suck, that doesn't make sense either, now does it?

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I didn't really see someone say that...

[CincyLady]

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then again, someone saying just because that there are not an even amount of women winning tournaments as men do, that it MUST be because all women suck, that doesn't make sense either, now does it?

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I didn't really see someone say that...

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You in effect did when you said this:

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how come they so seldom win ANYTHING?

I mean i know they are a much smaller proportion of the player pool, but surely they should occassionally win more than a 180 person WSOP tourny. I have been really curious about this for some time.

The only one i can think of winning a sizeable field was Vicky Coren, and i thought i heard that that ept field was one of the weakest player pools ever. (Not sure what this was based on tho)

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It (that above statement) alludes that you feel that the only reason that there are not more women winning, is because we can't play, and most if not all of us, suck playing poker.

Not your words exactly, but it could be taken that way.

If that is not what you meant, sorry, but that's how I took it, hence why I said/asked, if you had the statistics for all of the tournaments in the whole wide world, to prove that women don't win often enough in tournaments.

[DanielleRB]

BLACK ACES SAID "Look, when it all comes down to it, the average male is better than the average female ( edit to add: at poker). If you were given the choice of 10% of the next 20 tourneys played by one of two players, and all you got were the names and they were John Doe and Jane Doe, you should pick John Doe."


I can't agree with you on this - there are so many fewer female players that the average woman is better than the average man. It is not an "average or typical" woman who is drawn to play the game and to begin with since so many think we shouldn't be at the table. My experience has been that the regular women players I play with are solid, but the occasional female players are most definiately weaker than the occasional male players. - ultimately, average players are all subpar when it comes to winning tournaments, so I wouldn't want to be measured against either gender.

I think I would pick the woman to go deeper in a large buy in tourney because I would assume she is there with the money for a reason other than just being arm candy and that her chances against a random "joe" last longer would be better. Maybe she wouldn't win, but I would back her in a last longer against an average joe poker name...and as far as winning, I wouldn't bank on the average Joe or Jane....cashing ratios first, final table ratios second and wins third...how I track my own stats.

[lilp10869]

who cares , bill won, even if the big blind was taking a shot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
just kidding
well i dealt for ya there johnny , and have no professional td experince , but im a simpilistic, it was the big blinds fault for acting "out of turn" i have played at casinos where out of turn verbal is binding and where it isnt. bill is commited to a raise obviously, but there does need to be a standard set in stone rule i agree, bill needs to raise , even tho his raise amount was not determined he now knows that the big blind has intended to raise , but the bigblind , in my opinion has not yet acted , it was not his action. so tell them, bill u have announced raise . the big blind has not been commited to an action yet. play on. thats jsut simpilistic, or u can go to a more complicated level and say yes they are both now commited to raises, either way theres a possible diffrent angle shot, a very ackward situation indeed.

Pat

[grando]

this thread is terrible

[Black Aces 518]

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I can't agree with you on this - there are so many fewer female players that the average woman is better than the average man.

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This doesn't make sense. Average is average. If you assign somehow every player a "poker skill" ranking of 1-100, the average for women won't be higher simply because the sample size is smaller.

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I think I would pick the woman to go deeper in a large buy in tourney

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Well, maybe they might be favored in a last longer bet in one tourney. Over multiple tourneys, I think the male will be favored in ROI, final tables, and wins, which are the most important stats, with ROI being the most important and being directly correlated with FTs and wins, not with lasting deeper.

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and as far as winning, I wouldn't bank on the average Joe or Jane....cashing ratios first, final table ratios second and wins third...how I track my own stats

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So you think ITM is the most important stat, and don't list ROI at all? Also you hate playing against clueless players due to variance? You are making my point.

[DanielleRB]

You mentioned a "Jane versus John" scenario. I am simply stating that Jane isn't as random as John given there are fewer women playing to begin with.

Sure if you had a skill ranking then a random average pick may make a male pick a better investment, but you didn't state that originally.

No I don't think ITM is the most important...but it is the first stat I track in a line of stats...I do track ROI...didn't feel the need to give you my whole book, which I am sure you would think was useless since I am just a woman.

You do what works for you. I wish you all the best.

Feel free to call me clueless..like I said from the start, your ignorance and presumption is to my benefit.

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I am not a fan of Women Only tournaments and avoid them like the plague...because of the wide variance of inexperience and my desire to at least play with people who know when they have the winning hand.

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I am NOT saying women have no poker ability across the board, so spare me your "oh i'm just a woman" hyperbole.

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cashing ratios first, final table ratios second and wins third...how I track my own stats.


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[USRaider]

I don't look at the gender of the person being moved to my table as to whether they can play or not. I prefer to make assessments once I've actually seen them play a few hands at my table, then decide how to proceed.

The men vs. women argument is moot because of several reasons:

1. Why can't a woman play just as well as a man? With the plethora of training devices out there, women can use the same information that any player has been using forever.

2. The breakdown of genders. If, for example, you put Jennifer Harman, Annie Duke, Anna Wroblewski, Katja Thater and J. J. Liu at a table with five random guys, I'd bet on the ladies. Put these same five women in a 600 player field and their odds go down significantly.

Women can play just as well as any man...would have thought that us men would have learned that by now.

[Black Aces 518]

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I don't look at the gender of the person being moved to my table as to whether they can play or not. I prefer to make assessments once I've actually seen them play a few hands at my table, then decide how to proceed.

The men vs. women argument is moot because of several reasons:

1. Why can't a woman play just as well as a man?

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Don't know, you tell me. What % of the field do women make up at large tourneys? What % do they FT/win? Why is A >>> B, especially given Danielle's claim that a woman at one of these tourneys is MORE likely to be srs plyr vs a random dude there?

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If, for example, you put Jennifer Harman, Annie Duke, Anna Wroblewski, Katja Thater and J. J. Liu at a table with five random guys, I'd bet on the ladies.

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LDDDDDDDDDDO.

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Women can play just as well as any man...would have thought that us men would have learned that by now.

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Maybe they can, I don't know, but the fact is they don't.