Please berate me for this. I feel like such a moron.

[cfb1739]

Or maybe I'm weak tight and this is standard. Villain is ApobatesRacer

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $219.00
BB: $116.15
UTG: $394.80
CO: $200.00
Hero (BTN): $373.85

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $27.00</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $20.00

Flop: ($57) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $44.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $114.00</font>, Hero calls $70.00

Turn: ($285) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets all-in for $253.80</font>, Hero calls all-in for $232.85
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to UTG

River: ($750.70) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $750.70 ($3 Rake)

UTG had 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (four of a kind, Eights) and WON (+$373.85)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Eights) and LOST (-$373.85)

[Tooty816]

Don't post results next time.

Flop call was fine. I don't like turn call though.

[keikiwai]

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Don't post results next time.

Flop call was fine. I don't like turn call though.

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well if you call the flop

why would you fold a blank turn?

there's only 1 psb left after flop call, so it's not like you can hope to get to the river w/o putting it in, and turn is one of the few blanks in the deck

[cfb1739]

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Don't post results next time.

Flop call was fine. I don't like turn call though.

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I agree w/ this analysis. Afterwards I realized that this particular player would not play KK or QQ like this 200bb deep.

[holland3r]

Don't know anything about villain but this looks okay. Clearly you have to stack off on the blank turn, and you're too deep to making shoving the flop correct, but what do you do when a scurr card comes on the turn and he pushes? Like 75% of the deck is scarry.

[Worm75]

If I feel like I'm good enough on the flop to call his Raise on this flop, I'm good enough to shove it in there.

Seriously, never folding AA in a 3 bet pot is a very small mistake, especially on a board like this. Generally unless deep villains are going to fold most pp 88 and below.


Edit: Just realized that we are somewhat deep here, so villains range just got larger and we can include small pp and even SC possibly.

[Bulletproof Monk]

ok so how bad is shoving this flop?

[Worm75]

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ok so how bad is shoving this flop?

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Shoving flop is related inversely to how bad/aggro the opponent is.

I think I have a hard time folding this here, as drawy as that flop is I am probably shoving it in unless this villain is really passive post flop and never raises.

But this flop/action it is shove/fold here....calling does nothing at all for us, because we only fold if another scare card comes on the turn and if we think that his range includes QQ,KK,AKh here we should be pushing the flop.

Obviously we have no stats/reads on villain, so hard to determine here in Vacuum.(I know there are results but look past that)

[Tooty816]

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Don't post results next time.

Flop call was fine. I don't like turn call though.

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well if you call the flop

why would you fold a blank turn?

there's only 1 psb left after flop call, so it's not like you can hope to get to the river w/o putting it in, and turn is one of the few blanks in the deck

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I need a read to call a turn shove like this. Not a lot of players have the balls or stupidity to shove a draw on the turn --only the bad and tilty ones do it. The fact that he's 2 buyins deep means there's a higher chance he's a competent player. If he had top pair or QQ, I think he would be concerned after we called a check/raise on the flop AND we 3bet him preflop. He knows we have something of value yet he's still pushing his chips on a blank turn. Only a donk or tilty player would play this line with a draw on the turn because anyone else would know that their equity sank significantly. We don't know if he's a donk or tilty player yet, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt.