TT in the SB (shorthanded)

[nerdking]

Why are we still talking about a 3bet? I think Eskimo's post was just regular Eskimo-weirdness. It's bet/call no matter how you slice it.

[Bulletproof Monk]

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I'm done with this discussion until you stop dodging the question and aggressively not making sense.

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Can you give a single HH where you were bluff 3bet on the river?

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ok so as much as this question was just retarded and didnt really need an answer, within 200 hands of this post (ive cut down play alot due to other commitments atm), this hand came up:

Starting game 2065290456.

chakki is at seat 0 with $104.75.
poker_974 is at seat 1 with $157.95.
Poker-master is at seat 2 with $31.
loloTRICKEDu is at seat 3 with $238.
getall is at seat 4 with $168.05.
SHARPEIPROS is at seat 5 with $276.

The dealer is seat 1.

Poker-master posts a blind of $1.50.
loloTRICKEDu posts a blind of $3.

(loloTRICKEDu is dealt 7d Ac.)

Pre-flop:
getall raises $3.
SHARPEIPROS folds.
chakki folds.
poker_974 folds.
Poker-master calls for $4.50.
loloTRICKEDu calls for $3.

The flop comes
Ad 2h 7h.

Poker-master checks.
loloTRICKEDu checks.
getall checks.

The turn comes 2d.

Poker-master checks.
loloTRICKEDu bets $6.
getall calls for $6.
Poker-master calls for $6.

The river comes 8c.

Poker-master checks.
loloTRICKEDu bets $6.
getall raises $6.
Poker-master folds.
loloTRICKEDu raises $6.
getall raises $6.
loloTRICKEDu calls for $6.

Showdown:

getall shows: 10s Qc
2h 2d Ad Qc 10s
A pair of Twos

loloTRICKEDu shows: 7d Ac
Ad Ac 7h 7d 8c
Two Pair, Aces and Sevens

loloTRICKEDu wins pot ($81).

[Bulletproof Monk]

now im sure if i cbfed going through my database i could pull up >100 similar hands, im simply not going to

[marchron]

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Showdown:

getall shows: 10s Qc
2h 2d Ad Qc 10s
A pair of Twos

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UB 3/6 short? Thanks for the insta-buddylist. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Xhad]

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ok so as much as this question was just retarded and didnt really need an answer

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So if you're calling on the chance that something is happening, trying to establish how often said occurrence actually happens is a retarded question? Nevermind, I'm done with this discussion, period.

[Bulletproof Monk]

heh w/e...

to clarify tho: i was saying that refusing to engage in strategic discussion based on pot odds and hand ranges until an arbitrary and unrelated hand was posted was retarded.

[larm]

It does not look like your villian is a normal tag who is a bit weak on the river (to compare with ops villian). Also because he raises UTG with qto and dosnt make a continuation bet on the flop against the blinds.

I dont think OPs villian will make a 3-bet bluff, and i dont think you can compare the villian in your hand with OPs.

[Bulletproof Monk]

i agree with all of that 100%. i didnt post it to make any comparison or point whatsoever. i posted it because it was requested.

general point: i think a lot of people in ml assume that other players are playing for the same reasons they are.

people seem to laugh when i discuss strat such as '[censored] you dont bet in to me raises' and yet that is exactly how many players, including your opponents, regularly play. the guy in my hand and hypothetically in the op's hand if he was to have 3bet the river without a hand isnt doing it as a bluff. he is doing it because he is [censored] pissed off with you at that point in the hand.

try looking at this from your opponents perspective:

preflop: 'why does this aggressive fish keep 3betting preflop'

flop + turn: '[censored] him he has nothing im calling down'

river: 'ahaha i knew it he has nothing, i can vb my A6/bluff my w/e...... wtf how is this moran c/r me here!!!!!'

ev is one thing, psychology is another (and swongs are another thing altogether ldo)

(btw im not saying we are good here >50%, but like ive already said 11.5-1 just makes any debate a non-issue)