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Old 09-11-2007, 11:26 PM
Supwithbates Supwithbates is offline
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Default Re: 6max: folded TPTK want to understand theory

fold preflop vs a 12/8
As played you have position so just call the flop, position gives you information anyways. IE, unless you think he's betting two streets with AK or JJ, you can call flop and then fold to a turn bet without wasting another 2$

You are right about the raise turning your hand into a bluff. That's what an "information raise" is by definition, because you're folding out worse hands and taking the pot down, but you only get action from hands you're way behind and can safely fold. You don't make information raises for value, you make them for information
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:31 PM
orig!naL orig!naL is offline
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Default Re: 6max: folded TPTK want to understand theory

On this board, I like the idea of calling and folding to a turn bet. I don't think Ak or JJ is betting two streets without connecting here.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: 6max: folded TPTK want to understand theory

If you want to raise his flop bet let it be to at least $4.5. If you don't want to put in that much, then don't raise.

You may want to call now and get it in on a Q/A/spade turn.

Also:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

18,810 games 0.005 secs 3,762,000 games/sec

Board: 2c 6s Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.303% 60.30% 00.00% 11343 0.00 { JJ+, 66 }
Hand 1: 39.697% 39.70% 00.00% 7467 0.00 { AsQs }

And I think this range is extremely tight here, as villain minraised you pf, so you're priced to call for your remaining $5.
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Old 09-12-2007, 04:31 AM
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Default Re: 6max: folded TPTK want to understand theory

As for me - this is clear fold preflop. Villain is 8% preflop raise, so what range he coud reraise you out of position ? How do you think? AA, KK, QQ, may be AK and JJ. Thou you have one ace and one queen, he could have:
AA - 3 times
KK - 6 times
QQ - 3 times
JJ - 6 times
AK - 12 times (or something close to it)

With this range you are flip coin only to JJ, to AK villain is 70% favourite, to AA - 90%, to KK - 70% - so if you will get lucky, you are flip coin.
Is it worth to try? No, so fold preflop.
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:52 AM
Craggoo Craggoo is offline
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If you are going to fold everytime for a min re-raise IN POSITION then i would love to play with you. Ship the $$$$
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:04 AM
Ranma4703 Ranma4703 is offline
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Default Re: 6max: folded TPTK want to understand theory

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If you are going to fold everytime for a min re-raise IN POSITION then i would love to play with you. Ship the $$$$

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Obviously he isn't folding every time. He's folding to this specific villian, because this specific villian is tight as hell.
At micro stakes, we do plenty of exploitable stuff on purpose, because villians are too dumb to exploit. So don't post stupid [censored] like that.
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Old 09-12-2007, 10:00 AM
yapee yapee is offline
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Default Re: 6max: folded TPTK want to understand theory

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

205,476,480 games 0.032 secs 6,421,140,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 67.937% 66.85% 01.09% 137360808 2234160.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 32.063% 30.98% 01.09% 63647352 2234160.00 { AQs }

If that is his range preflop then Hero is priced to call the minraise.

But seriously, I think it's much wider than that because of the min- part.
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