huge pots, uncapped betting w/out the nuts vs bad players

kimchi · #1 09-11-2007, 05:24 AM

The uncapped betting on HU streets on the Cryptos has been a double-edged sword. Sometimes I spew when behind and other times I miss bets against spewing opponents.

Hand 1: Villain is 36/12/3.2 over a small sample

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) kimchi is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, kimchi raises, SB folds, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.5SB, 3 players)
BB bets, CO folds, kimchi calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.25BB, 2 players)
BB bets, kimchi raises, BB calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8.25BB, 2 players)
BB bets, kimchi raises, BB re-raises, kimchi re-raises, BB re-raises, kimchi re-raises, BB re-raises, kimchi re-raises, BB re-raises, kimchi re-raises, BB re-raises, kimchi re-raises, BB re-raises, HERO? (villain has about 5 more re-raises left – do I keep raising?)

Hand 2: villain is a nutter 89/44/4.4 and sat down with what is probably his entire bankroll (~200bb). I've been (reasonably) successfully iso-raising him pre-flop and letting him bluff away his stack.

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) kimchi is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises, kimchi 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG caps, kimchi calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9.5SB, 2 players)
UTG bets, kimchi calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, kimchi calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, kimchi raises, UTG re-raises, kimchi re-raises, UTG re-raises, kimchi re-raises, UTG re-raises, kimchi re-raises, UTG re-raises, HERO? How much further am I going to take this one?

I have about 10 BB left and villain has me covered. He recently busted someone with quad 4s in an uncapped-betting pot after another TAG made Kings full on the river. A previous hand, he check-raised me on the river on a double-paired board and I re-raised with AA and won. He is a wild maniac (89/44/4.4) and makes wild bluffs. Does he have QQ or straight-flush here? Should I call or keep re-raising until all-in? I don’t want to miss bets against these wild LAGS.

Hand 3: Villain is 62/11/1.1 and seems to play more aggressively than his stats suggest, Peeling often and slow-playing big hands. He recently cold called a PFR + caller with KK.

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.35/$0.7
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) kimchi is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, kimchi raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8SB, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, kimchi bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, kimchi bets, Button raises, SB folds, kimchi calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9.5BB, 2 players)
kimchi checks, Button bets, kimchi raises, Button re-raises, kimchi re-raises, Button re-raises, kimchi re-raises, Button re-raises, hero keeps raising?

We both have about 10 BB left.

Hand 4: only played 16 hands with villain but is currently 100/100/4.43 (!) (and infinite aggro on river). In a previous hand against me I flopped top pair jacks with a king. He had Q7o (capped pre-flop) and we capped the flop. He made a runner runner straight. He also capped the turn with 2nd pair, dreadful kicker against someone else in a later hand. Maybe he was involved in a BBV prop bet or something….

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) kimchi is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, kimchi calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.5SB, 3 players)
kimchi bets, UTG+1 raises, Button folds, kimchi calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.25BB, 2 players)
kimchi bets, UTG+1 raises, kimchi re-raises, UTG+1 re-raises, kimchi calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (13.25BB, 2 players)
kimchi bets, UTG+1 raises, kimchi re-raises, UTG+1 re-raises, kimchi re-raises, UTG+1 re-raises – HERO keeps going? This guy is obviously a nutter and has about 5 BBs left in his stack. Are we going all-in?

Gurravasa · #2 09-11-2007, 05:56 AM

I also play no-cap, and it can be really profitable. I don't think you should overdo it without the nuts thou. If villain is close to all-in you can spend som extra bets with you strongest hands.

I think you already did to much in hand 1. As he played 55 is very much in his range. I would end it at about 6-7BB on the river.

In hand 2 you also took it too far since he capped pf and is not unlikely to have QQ. Here I would stop at 4-5BB on river.

In hand 3 you face a slowplayer and that makes it harder since you can't totally rule out KK. I think you should end it at 7BB on river.

Last hand I think you can go all-in since he spews that mcuh and a set or 2-pair seem much more likely than KT, and he doesn't seem like the guy that reads boards very well, and there's only 5 BB left in his stack and thoose are going in with a lot of worse hands than the nuts.

Tryptamean · #3 09-11-2007, 06:31 AM

these hands are all [censored] up and I think you should post all of them in BBV and get flamed for excessive poo

Oink · #4 09-11-2007, 08:24 AM

Only read the two first and then I stopped because they made my head explode. Dude! Thats way too much action.

I wouldnt ever go past 5 or 6 bets without the nuts unless I knew for SURE that villain is a mouth breathing downie who cant read boards. In other words I would very rarely go past 5 or 6 bets without the nuts.

kimchi · #5 09-11-2007, 08:30 AM

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these hands are all [censored] up and I think you should post all of them in BBV and get flamed for excessive poo

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks for the constructive analysis.

Cryptologic
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) kimchi is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, Button raises, SB 3-bets, kimchi folds, Button calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6SB, 2 players)
SB bets, Button calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Button calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Button raises, SB re-raises, Button re-raises, SB re-raises, Button re-raises, SB re-raises, Button re-raises, SB re-raises, Button re-raises, SB re-raises, Button re-raises, SB calls all-in $5.85.
Uncalled bets: 0.02BB returned to Button.

Results: (in white)
Final pot: 29.95BB
Button shows 8c Ad
SB shows 4h 2d

So this guy reloads and you have a huge hand against him and he's re-raising you back? What are you going to do?

These are the kinds of hands I'm talking about. I want to maximise value from maniacs. That's why I try to sit next to them.

These wild pots occur relatively frequently and they are sometimes won by sets against someone spewing with top 2 pair. The set isn't always the nuts - or even top set.

The players above were all awful, except maybe hand #1 and I saw them spew with far less than the nuts on previous hands.

Maybe you should waste your time posting in BBV instead of here.

Misja · #6 09-11-2007, 09:04 AM

If I would see this I would think SB was dumping chips.

Tryptamean · #7 09-11-2007, 09:09 AM

Dude, didn't mean to imply that you [censored] up these hands... they are legitimately crazy and I have no idea what is correct

kimchi · #8 09-11-2007, 09:18 AM

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If I would see this I would think SB was dumping chips.

[/ QUOTE ] He reloaded and played a turned set of 6's remarkably reservedly against another guy's flopped set of kings. Capped pre-flop & turn but just bet-called the river. My post was about playing guys like this who you are just begging and waiting to play a big hand against.

mute · #9 09-11-2007, 10:13 AM

Hand 1: I call the 5-bet
Hand 2: All-in
Hand 3: I call the 5-bet
Hand 4: All-in