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Old 09-10-2007, 08:02 PM
Daniel LeClaire Daniel LeClaire is offline
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Default 50NL: AJs OOP Awkward Stacks

No reads. The previous hand I raised and only the BB called. He bet pot into me on the flop and I folded. The players might think I'm steamin' a little, if they are paying attention.

CO stack size is a bit awkward. What do you like doing on the turn, betting or checking? If we make any sizeable bet we are pretty much committed to calling a shove.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $14.70
BB: $30.80
Hero (UTG): $48.45
MP: $49.25
CO: $31.55
BTN: $39.45

Preflop: Hero is dealt J A (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, MP folds, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($6) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 8 (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.50</font>, CO calls $4.50, BTN folds

Turn: ($15) 2 (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero ?</font>
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Old 09-10-2007, 08:10 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: AJs OOP Awkward Stacks

i check the turn for pot control. if you raise the turn I think you're pretty much turning your hand into a bluff.
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Old 09-10-2007, 08:26 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: AJs OOP Awkward Stacks

i think c/c turn and river. if turn is checked thru vbet river
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Old 09-10-2007, 08:36 PM
geekylucas geekylucas is offline
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Default Re: 50NL: AJs OOP Awkward Stacks

If we check-call the turn aren't we essentially forcing ourselves into a situation where we have to decide if we want to call a shove on the river?

How do we know whether or not villain is betting the turn because she thinks we missed the flop and have given up after c-betting?
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Old 09-10-2007, 08:45 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: AJs OOP Awkward Stacks

Check/Calling the turn probably commits us. I think that's why the hand is interesting. I think this is a bad option. That leaves three: c/rai, c/f, lead.

Of the three choices, I think I prefer a blocking bet of maybe 7. That still leaves a tough choice on the river though if we check and he shoves. I think I flip my trusty 3-sided coin.
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:26 PM
Daniel LeClaire Daniel LeClaire is offline
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Default Re: 50NL: AJs OOP Awkward Stacks

If I bet I have to call a shove, so since the board was pretty dry I decided to check and see what happened.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $14.70
BB: $30.80
Hero (UTG): $48.45
MP: $49.25
CO: $31.55
BTN: $39.45

Preflop: Hero is dealt J A (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, MP folds, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($6) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 8 (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.50</font>, CO calls $4.50, BTN folds

Turn: ($15) 2 (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $8.00</font>, Hero ?
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:30 PM
Peter Harris Peter Harris is offline
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Default Re: 50NL: AJs OOP Awkward Stacks

and gave yourself a harder decision. Looks like NLTAP was a waste of money...

now either CRAI or fold.
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: AJs OOP Awkward Stacks

shove now, bet/call the turn
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: AJs OOP Awkward Stacks

i think turn c/r AI is best.
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:36 PM
huhwhatyousay? huhwhatyousay? is offline
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Default Re: 50NL: AJs OOP Awkward Stacks

Shove it in now. This is a decent board for AJ vs. both villain's ranges Imo. Although I don't see anything that bets the turn for value that we beat after we led the flop 3-way, leading the turn folds out the lower part of his range. So, CRAI = max value vs. {random floats, weaker aces, combo draws, whatever} etc.
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